New Grower Is my exhaust fan/carbon filter working?

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Hello all,

I'm currently growing 3 Pineapple Express autos in a 2.6x2.6 grow tent. I recently installed my carbon filter and exhaust fan. Although my grow tent is small I don't seem to have any negative pressure and when I touch my carbon filter I don't really feel much suction, is this normal? I just don't want smell to be an issue in a month when my ladies begin to flower.

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Viagrow-...ith-Flange-55-110-CFM-Exhaust-V4CF2/203548978
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbrande...-Mixed-Flow-In-Line-Duct-Fan-TT-100/204594854

Those are the two products I'm using to combat smell. Thanks again !
 
Don't think you'll feel any suction putting your hand near a carbon filter, try blocking all inlets on your tent and see if it implodes :grin:

Seriously if you can't smell anything even before flowering I'd say alls ok
 
How's the suction without the filter attached? Also, are you pushing or pulling the air through the filter? Assuming your tent is 7' tall, it would be just under 50 cubic feet. Your fan/filter combo should change the air about 2 times a minute. That should easily take care of any odor issues.
 
I've read a lot regarding the issue of pulling or pushing through the "carbon filter. I'm pulling through the filter at the moment and without the filter on the fan there's really not much negative pressure. My tent is small, about 30 inch high and 30 inches wide, that's why I'm curious as to why there is no negative pressure using a 105 CFM incline fan !

My second question, is there really a different between inline and exhaust fans? Is it possible that I need an "exhaust" fan to pull more air rather than using an "inline" fan backwards?
 
I've read a lot regarding the issue of pulling or pushing through the "carbon filter. I'm pulling through the filter at the moment and without the filter on the fan there's really not much negative pressure. My tent is small, about 30 inch high and 30 inches wide, that's why I'm curious as to why there is no negative pressure using a 105 CFM incline fan !

My second question, is there really a different between inline and exhaust fans? Is it possible that I need an "exhaust" fan to pull more air rather than using an "inline" fan backwards?

Are you using anything for an intake fan? Do you have any other fans exhausting from your tent or is the scrubber/fan combo your primary exhaust?

Are you using any duct on the scrubber/fan? Is it flex duct? What length? Do you have any 90 degree bends in the duct?

As for the push/pull debate, here's my two cents.

In a pulling setup, the inline fan draws air into the chamber of the carbon scrubber by blowing air out of it. Drawing air in is better than blowing air in because it doesn't produce as much turbulence inside, which in turns allows for greater control of the airflow through your duct work. Why should you care about turbulence? The airflow created by the fan on the scrubber is already fairly turbulent due to how the fan blades are in motion and by design of the fan blades. Turbulence is the swirling of air (as in vortices.) Vortices occur on the length of the fan blade and at the blade tip as the blade moves through the air. As the speed increases on the fan, there is more turbulence created and the sound levels increase as the vortices increase.

Blowing air causes more turbulence than sucking air does, and depending on where your fan is in relation to the scrubber; that turbulence can greatly diminish the CFM capability of the fan.

Pulling air through the filter also offers more advantages. By sucking air through the filter, you are creating a negative air pressure space inside the carbon scrubber. Negative air pressure is good because it keeps those odor molecules from escaping the scrubber once they are in there.

If your scrubber has a pre-filter (white filter sleeve that fits over the exterior,) you'd also want to pull air through instead of pushing. The pre-filter catches larger micron particles (like dirt, dust, etc,) and prevents them getting through and coating the activated carbon inside, which diminishes the effectiveness and reduces the life of your scrubber. If you were blowing into the filter, you would want to have an internal pre-filter to do the same thing, or you are blasting the carbon inside with ALL sorts of stuff you don't want to be.

As for your second question, in-line fans are fans that usually fit in-line with duct system (hence the name "in-line.") An exhaust fan is any fan that exhaust air, odors, particulates, etc. An in-line exhaust is a fan that happens to fit in-line that is also exhausting ventilation. I believe in-line fans, due to their design, create more pressure than a similarly rated exhaust fan (that's not in-line.) This is important as the higher pressure allows the air to flow better (at less reduction) down your duct.

Hope that helps bro! :karma Cloud:
 
My tent is well over twice the size as yours and I have loads of negative pressure with a 190cfm inline fan. If you have more than one intake vent, try closing one. As for the exhaust versus inline fan, I don't know that there is a really a difference. The main types of fan are axial and centrifugal. Centrifugal is what many grow fans are from what I've seen, and that's what I have. They produce more pressure for a given amount of air volume, so they're preferred for climate control. Your HD fan says it combines the best of axial and centrifugal fans, whatever that means.
 
Your HD fan says it combines the best of axial and centrifugal fans, whatever that means.

That means it's a mixed flow fan; in a mixed flow fan the air flows in both axial and radial direction relative to the shaft. Mixed flow fans develop higher pressures than axial fans. Centrifugal fans are also called radial fans, as far as I know (if that clears it up.)
 
I think I just need an exhaust fan rather than this 105CFM incline fan to pull air from out of my grow tent. Can you guys suggests any quiet exhaust blowers around 150CFM? Any thing that has a DBA around 30 were be awesome.
 
I think I just need an exhaust fan rather than this 105CFM incline fan to pull air from out of my grow tent. Can you guys suggests any quiet exhaust blowers around 150CFM? Any thing that has a DBA around 30 were be awesome.

Hey shinto, the inline fan you have is acting as your exhaust fan. Don't let the terminology slip you up.

...in-line fans are fans that usually fit in-line with duct system (hence the name "in-line.") An exhaust fan is any fan that exhaust air, odors, particulates, etc. An in-line exhaust is a fan that happens to fit in-line that is also exhausting ventilation.

When you're looking at your carbon scrubber; there's a few things to keep in mind:

Viagrow 4 in. Carbon Air Filter 2 with Flange 55-110 CFM Exhaust

See the 55-110 CFM part? That is the recommended air flow and max recommended air flow. The air flow rating is the rating set by the manufacturer of the carbon filter for optimal adsorption on the activated carbon, based on the type of activated carbon and the size/shape/design of the filter.

Exceeding the maximum rating is not recommended; the adsorption process by activated carbon takes a certain amount of contact time to be effective. If you exceed the rating by too much; air and odor causing molecules are being push through too fast and will not have time to be adsorbed (causing smell to exhaust.)

If your air flow rate is marginally less than the rating of the scrubber; the scrubber will not effectively be able to pull the air and odor causing molecules through the activated carbon, making it much less effective and potentially causing the fan to work harder, which generates heat and shortens the life of the fan. A fan that is working harder tends to generate more noise too.

This is your fan you listed: VENTS 105 CFM Power 4 in. Mixed Flow In-Line Duct Fan

Carbon scrubbers come in all different shapes and sizes and designs depending on the manufacturer. Because of this, they all exhibit different pressure drops based on their design and the types of fan being used with them.

From what I've read, there's around a 15-20% CFM reduction loss on the output of the fan because of the pressure loss caused by the filter (note, this is a ball park figure.)

For sake of argument, let's say we factor in a 15% loss from the scrubber:

105 CFM * .15 = 15.75 CFM loss

With the drop, you're looking at around 95 CFM. If you are venting it out of the tent, there can be additional drops depending on the length of duct, size of duct, number of bends and turns (each 90 degree turn can cause up to nearly 4% CFM loss.)

If you're comfortable posting them up; a few pictures of your setup and how you have your carbon scrubber/fan setup would be very beneficial to making a good recommendation.

Also, most importantly; are you noticing any smell? What is your primary concern; whether the scrubber is operating efficiently/effectively or whether or not you are achieving negative air pressure?

Do you have any active air intakes?
 
Thanks again for all the advice, it coincides very well with the community's consensus of the topic. I rearranged my setup this morning and rather than connect ducting between my carbon filter + inline fan, I connected the scrubber to the fan directly and it's working fine. I don't see negative pressure in regards to my tent being caved in but I've been testing the tent's temperature all day and with the fan running there is a 6 degree drop in temperature. This is really good because I'm adding a 150w HPS when my ladies begin to flower in addition to my two black-star 100w LEDs. Since my space is so small I don't think I will be able to keep that 150w HPS on for 18 hours, I may keep it on for 8-12 hours during flowering.

To answer your question, yes I have one small active intake. My main concern was whether my scrubber worked effectively, my ladies are in week two of veg and they are looking great, I have another two weeks to go until they start flowering.

Here's a link to my grow: https://www.autoflower.org/f61/pineapple-express-autos-30041-2.html#post580561
 
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