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Okay so the strain affected is my dutch passion tundras.
They are on day 15 from the start of germination.
They are being grown with plant magic soil supreme.
They have had no nutes or anything, tap water only.
I havent watered them tons, infact I have probably only watered 2/3 times as the soil seems to still have moisture in, certainly hasnt dried out.

I put them out in the sun about 12noon today, it is now 5pm.
I am sure this issue was not here when I put them out but possibly it was, just to a lesser degree but its not the kind of thing I would miss.

I suspect LSF but I would like to know for a fact what this is.

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Cheers

:peace:
-herb
 
There to young to have any nute problem so my guess is some sort of insect.
 
There to young to have any nute problem so my guess is some sort of insect.

How sure are you on this? Any chance of lsf you recon?

They were no where near this level when put out, nothing noticeable at all which is concerning due to the speed.

There was a strange looking fly on my windowsill last night though. But didn't think anything of it.
:peace:
-Herb
 
I'm not 100% sure about insects but can;t say for sure what it is.Maybe someone else will join in and figure this out,in the mean time watch them very close and see if it gets any worse.
 
I'm not 100% sure about insects but can;t say for sure what it is.Maybe someone else will join in and figure this out,in the mean time watch them very close and see if it gets any worse.

Thanks m8, really hope others get involved ASAP as it appears to have come out of no where and be progressing fast on otherwise healthy plants.
So far it has not affected my other 3 strains that are still seedlings a week behind.

:peace:
-herb
 
this is from thrips
thier out doors? than thier natural enemy's should be around soon enough

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^^ thrips are his dinner

(i once had to put out 5000 of them to get a plauge indoors under control)
 
I've had plants spot like that randomly and it didn't lead to anything, but you should keep an eye on it and post more pictures tomorrow. It doesn't look like rust to me. it just looks like those little spots died. I think the discoloration on the cotyledon is from improper seed development, so in the early stages when the plant was using its stored energy, it was lacking in a few places hince the spotting and only becoming visible when the leaves spread their wings(this may be completely wrong in your case) best thing to do from here is keep an eye on her with updated pictures so we can see if it is progressing. It may just have wanted to throw a few spots out and you may be fine from now on. But it may also be a leaf sucker or some nute problem. Only time can tell now...


...and I find encouraging words always help the little ladies out!!
 
this is from thrips
thier out doors? than thier natural enemy's should be around soon enough

270px-Orius_insidiosus_from_USDA_2_(cropped).jpg


^^ thrips are his dinner

(i once had to put out 5000 of them to get a plauge indoors under control)

How sure are you this is from thrips, I mean i always thought thrip damage more was white marks/spots by enlarge, after just looking online sometimes it does look very simalar kind of spots though, Ive looked at a number of thrips products but which would you suggest?
So far they are out only in direct sun & not at night.

Cheers, i'm desperate to get to the bottom of this so everything is hugely appreciated.

I've had plants spot like that randomly and it didn't lead to anything, but you should keep an eye on it and post more pictures tomorrow. It doesn't look like rust to me. it just looks like those little spots died. I think the discoloration on the cotyledon is from improper seed development, so in the early stages when the plant was using its stored energy, it was lacking in a few places hince the spotting and only becoming visible when the leaves spread their wings(this may be completely wrong in your case) best thing to do from here is keep an eye on her with updated pictures so we can see if it is progressing. It may just have wanted to throw a few spots out and you may be fine from now on. But it may also be a leaf sucker or some nute problem. Only time can tell now...
...and I find encouraging words always help the little ladies out!!

That small one with the red like tint on the cotyledon is indeed a runt and is quite lucky to be alive, was not a good seed but as long as its alive, it will be loved!:thumbs:
I really want to stop it progressing rather than allow it to! not good!
I will post up more pictures tomorrow if any change though of course.

I seem to remember having spots like this on a barneys blue cheese girl before and I managed to get a bit of bud off her but she was hugely affected and she got the issue much later than these girls have, if it is the same thing as my BC had before then this issue has the potential to kill.
Really hope it is something manageable and that wont stunt my little beauts!

Cheers for help

:peace:
-herb

EDIT - I have just brought the plants in, they are in a bedroom and not on my windowsill any longer, will be avoiding the windowsill for security reasons from now on.

I can pretty much confirm that GW is right that it is thrips, I have now seen a couple of the white tell tale marks left by thrips and the plants are otherwise healthy, the younger seedlings have barely, if at all been touched either which makes sense as they will not be as nice to suck on for the thrips.

The only thing I need to work out is what to do next, which product is best for not stunting/being chemically but doing the job well & if that's unrealistic, which chemically one is the best at the job.

I am glad its thrips though, it can be potentially managed & it is not as bad news to me as LSF or nute issues.

Big thanks to those who have contributed & for those who come up with the answers for the next steps to take.

legends!

:peace:
-herb
 
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Neem oil would be my first try.. they're not flowering yet are they? You can use a spinosad based pesticide if they're not flowering yet. :thumbs:

Blast the mofos.. :crack:

If you have an indoor grow going at the same time, be careful bro.. you can/will contaminate the indoor ladies with the thrips too.
 
Cheers, the funny thing is I checked very closely last night with a bright LED when I brought them in and I could not see a single intruder.

They are not flowering no, ill try neem first as it seems the most gentle but if it doesn't work out then ill be straight onto the spinosad based stuff, seems hard to get in the UK though without being flown in from US.


I have purchased 5 of these http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/4003...&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=65

It looks a good natural neem product and its cheap:D

Just gotta hope they don't take my plants out before my neem arrives now!

:peace:
-herb
 
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