Indoor LST Hub

[TheCannabist]

No problem mate, but don't forget that the stems respond to lst as the flowers do so the stem with the most bud growth will basically become the main stem... my buds aren't big enough for me to worry about that anyway lol

The santa is very sativa dominant and I'm 90% sure it's a santa maria hybrid, hence the name. You're going to like that mohan ram, she's a beaut.

 

[BigBuddha]

Awesome as always, thanks mate!

I did my first attempt with that Pandora, and decided to plant her in a corner because it sounded more natural to bend along the edges. In the end I just bent the stem towards where I had space I am not totally sure about the usefulness of planting into corners, but I like the idea and have applied it to my current grow, where I use LST to train smaller plants (3 liter pots). I'm not sure if planting into a corner could cause a plant to grow smaller because of root ball development, but I like the results so far.

Keep the info coming! Really interesting to read and learn. Thank you again!

This won't be the first time I've sat and imagined how the roots grow in a pot and I'd probably put a few bucks on it being ok going into the corner because - IF I understand it right - it's mostly the taproot that tells the plant the most about how big to grow.. in that it goes down in search of what it wants and when it comes to the bottom of the pot it tells the top growth to bush out and spread out to a certain distance.

Whereas (I THINK) the feeder roots will hit the side of the pot, be directed left or right and keep growing in a direction (hence root circling).. so I'm guessing that if it starts in a corner the taproot will grow down as normal.. and the feeder roots that immediately hit the walls of the pot should, in theory, just start circling as normal around the edge of the pot?

In fact.. there's a sure way to solve this.. when you chop your plant what's the chances of you taking a snap or two of the rootball so we can see how it reacted to the corner planting?

Thanks for that BB and these are just the questions I've has floating around in my head for months, but I haven't managed to find any scientific papers documenting the tropic influences on auxin redirection as a result of lst... which I was hoping you had! lol Please don't think me ungrateful!

I don't think anything bad about you at all fella. Bloody glad you found the thread as it happens since you've really opened my eyes to a few things!!

I think a test grow is most definitely in order... in fact full fledged scientific research is in order but no one wants to fund this shit lol. What I would like to see is a test with at least 3 different methods:

1) plant grown and lst'd with only side lighting (testing influence of phototropism)
2) plant grown and lst'd but inverted, so the plant is grown upside down with the light beneath it (testing influence of gravitropism). this plant would have to have an established root base prior to being inverted otherwise gravitropic effects on root development could skew results
3) plant grown only with side lighting but not lst'd
4) plant grown inverted but not lst'd
5) plant grown inverted only with side lighting and lst'd! whhhaaaaa craazaay!

I don't think anyone will ever be bothered with this hahaha.

Lol.. if I had the resources I'd set you up a lab with some assistants and a death-ray just to see what you came up with! With the exception of #3 (doesn't instill me with any confidence of working that well) all those are pretty interesting, if a lot of hassle.

I know on my old forum a group of growers tried growing horizontally using gravitropism but I never got to see the end results. Apparently, IIRC, there IS a profound effect on the root-system if grown horizontally and it has something to do with the taproot sensing the force of gravity and the stalk fattening up considerably. Just don't ask me how the hell we're supposed to water a sideways pot!! No matter how hard I try I can't figure out how it stays in the pot or even holds water.. or how we're meant to even get it in there to begin with?!?!

The thing I keep coming back to is no matter we try and trick it with lights or training.. we can't really change the direction of gravity so how that actually works in practice I just don't know?

So, that's something I'm still looking into and as yet I can't find anything simple enough to understand!

although side lights can help, using just them would prove not so great IMO

I'd have to agree there since most of the surface-area on the fan leaves would be horizontal and would want vertical light from top>down. Yeah it would still grow but I reckon it would be a puny plant or very short at the least. Or maybe even super stretchy?

Hey BB and all!

Great quality thread you have here.

Sup fella. Thanks for your comments and welcome to the Hub.

I want to share my LST with y'all:

Then you've come in the right spirit. If you have naked pictures of women to share, too, they won't go amiss.

The pics are cronological of her 2 months. I started noticing explosive growth 2 weeks ago. My aim is to go full circle with the apical stem.

Nice work fella. On your next grow you may want to try starting the first bend just above the first set of fan leaves rather than under the first round ones, as it seems to shift the auxins to the stem faster to support the first set of petitoles.

I've also found the the higher up we go for the first bend the fatter the lower stalk seems to get in the end, but that's only really applicable to long-vegging photos as it takes time to build stalk. I reckon that's because higher up means there's more growth below to beef-up so the plant produces shitloads more auxins. << Just guessing there.

I also have a big doubt I'll take the chance to ask:

When the petioles get taller than the apical stem, will the main growth be slowed down, or even stoped, because the auxins go to the new tallest growth (the petioles)? I'm tying the petioles down aswell so I keep the main stem taller than the overall growth but it's starting to get harder and harder! Specially because I'm now doing a circle counter-clockwise with the petioles stems. It's getting crowded!

Difficult one to answer but I'll have a go..

Although training causes more auxins to focus on one or more areas.. it doesn't completely halt it in the rest of the plant and it usually takes a matter of days before it's balanced out again. But this is what we want, really.. to open up the plant and then wait for the auxins to balance out again so that we get more even canopies and wotnot.

We actually get a lot of control over her growth patterns so we can sort of delay one side of the plant while encouraging the other to get higher, or even out. Once the canopy becomes more even it sort of stabilises growth all over and just bushes out thereafter as all the main colas are getting an even amount of light.


I know what I'm trying to say I just don't know if it's making sense to the reader so if it isn't please feel free to ask for a better attempt


Cheers for your post man.

 

[TheCannabist]

I don't think anything bad about you at all fella. Bloody glad you found the thread as it happens since you've really opened my eyes to a few things!!

Stop it, you'll make me blush . Seriously though, glad my contribution hasn't just been pointless waffle lol.

Regarding my hair-brained experiment (which I'd had a few beers before formulating), I wasn't saying that these wacky growing techniques would yield better results, but rather they might tell us more of the tropic contributions to the effects of lst. Good to know that cannabis won't grow upside down like tomatoes, didn't know that. I read some paper somewhere which said that root and early stem growth are very influenced by gravitropism, which makes sense, but asides from that I don't think much is known about the effects of gravity on plants. Wasn't sure if that had been said already so sorry if it has. I think they may be trying to grow plants in space now or will be in the near future, so if anyone knows more about that I'm all ears!



TC

 

[BigBuddha]

Stop it, you'll make me blush . Seriously though, glad my contribution hasn't just been pointless waffle lol.

Sorry, what? I switched off after "Stop" lol

No mate.. my neurons are firing now about a whole host of new stuff. I doubt I'll apply half of it but the more complete picture we have the better. Gravitropism makes a lot of sense according to what I've seen. Before I learned about which direction to place seeds I kept seeing weird deformed growth at first, and later I discovered this was because of the way the taproot emerges.. then goes up.. then goes back down again to create a hook shape that anchors it. Put seeds in bottom-down and it all goes tits up and gets confused because the seed works on gravity regardless of its direction. I'm sure you probably know this already but I AM a compulsive waffler and I also like to sound as if I'm patronising people who obviously know their stuff themselves.. so..

Regarding my hair-brained experiment (which I'd had a few beers before formulating), I wasn't saying that these wacky growing techniques would yield better results, but rather they might tell us more of the tropic contributions to the effects of lst. Good to know that cannabis won't grow upside down like tomatoes, didn't know that. I read some paper somewhere which said that root and early stem growth are very influenced by gravitropism, which makes sense, but asides from that I don't think much is known about the effects of gravity on plants. Wasn't sure if that had been said already so sorry if it has. I think they may be trying to grow plants in space now or will be in the near future, so if anyone knows more about that I'm all ears!

Yep hearing that. They're clearly inter-related so understanding them better should make LST better. Meh.. even if it doesn't I'm still fascinated by the process of these plants.. and I'm not easily wooed by stuff in life.

And even if someone DID do these experiments which someone must have at some point.. I still can't work out how the hell they get the water into the pots..

Can't get my head around that.

 

[SmokeyDeHerb]

I think they may be trying to grow plants in space now or will be in the near future, so if anyone knows more about that I'm all ears!

Your absolutely right.
The reason being that if the human race is to continue it is going to have to, eventually, move to a new 'home'. Unfortunately the nearest planet to us, Mars, is so far away that in order for humans to get there the amount of food needed to get them there and back would be enormous, leading to a bigger vehicle to travel in and even larger amounts of fuel to get the thing going in the first place.
So the other option is 'grow your own'. So far this has been done with a degree of sucess on the ISS with various herbs.
Here's a link for you
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8589849/Plants-growing-in-space.html#

 

[TheCannabist]

Haha the water in the pots conundrum makes me giggle, but it is indeed a baffling one.

Meh.. even if it doesn't I'm still fascinated by the process of these plants.. and I'm not easily wooed by stuff in life.

I hear you bro, I'm all about knowing just for the sake of knowing, but I am a sciences student so that's expected I guess. It probably also explains why I too am a wafflesome creature and I'm always worried that I'm boring/patronising people... I don't think my girlfriend listens to me at all anymore, actually she probably never did.

Yeah I discovered that about getting spazzy plants when you plant the seed root down on my 1st/previous grow. That wasn't a great sentence. You'd be surprised how many people online recommend doing that. I found that the seed casing doesn't come off and you have to very carefully take it off, but it took me a while to do anything about it cos I was so scared to damage it so I just had this seed on a stem for a week or two lool. Really funny looking in hindsight.

Hey maybe they watered the pots by having the plant grow out of a hole in the side of the pot and then you could just water as per usual.

 

[TheCannabist]

Your absolutely right.
The reason being that if the human race is to continue it is going to have to, eventually, move to a new 'home'. Unfortunately the nearest planet to us, Mars, is so far away that in order for humans to get there the amount of food needed to get them there and back would be enormous, leading to a bigger vehicle to travel in and even larger amounts of fuel to get the thing going in the first place.
So the other option is 'grow your own'. So far this has been done with a degree of sucess on the ISS with various herbs.
Here's a link for you
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8589849/Plants-growing-in-space.html#

AWESOME, thanks for that man. Looks like this could yield some very valuable information, even for us mere terrestrial growers. They forget to mention one of the biggest advantages of plants in space though, which is OXYGEN... kind of important stuff to forget lol.

 

[SmokeyDeHerb]

thing that made me laugh was the bit that said they're looking at how plants react to flourescent lighting... should have just posted the question on here

 

[TheCannabist]

Haha that's what I thought. You can just imagine these Nasa guys going "these warm colour bulbs are shit during veg, hmmph better publish that. Houston we have a problem, we're gona need some daylight bulbs up here mmkay."

Why don't they just put a window in the ship and get unadulterated SUNLIGHT. They may need to tint that window, but you get my point.

 

[Scoobert Doo]

I thought I would add some pics of my first attempt at LST.
I have 4 auto BB going in 3 pots. These pics are at day 30 when I made some secondary tie downs on a couple of them.
A pic of 2 remaining BB's at day 72 then the pic of the BB i took down at day 71. That thing needed to be bent laterally once it hit 23" around day35-40.
The other two are each about 23" (the ones still goin at day 72).
All my BB's are from a seed run i did late last summer into fall with the seeds I got from attitude (Lowlife auto blueberry).
Until very recently i was only doing 3 at a time. I'm trying to reach a perpetual stash and so have ramped up production now that I feel I know what I'm doing decently enough.

The big change for me with this current crop of 3 BB's was that I did these 3 under 2 90w UFO's from amazon. Last winter and falls grows were under a 400w hps.

Those 4 BB's I am LSTing are all under 1 90w ifo.