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Hey every one, back from my jolly's and ready to join in the conversation
I'm not a science guy when it come to the microbes, I let others do that thinking for me then I trust their opinion. I'm a hands on approach type of guy so my findings are just purely observational.
The subject of microbes has been my recent experiments in the grow room. I've been using Mammoth P (MP) for the past year but recently wanted to see if it was really working and also is there a replacement out there on the market that is cheaper (i'm not complaining to much I reap back what MP cost me)... Urb nutrient have been shouting better than MP on there spill so I though i would give it a go... I've also been using Biosys by ecothrive as bi-weekly mini flush and for potting on and dusting my roots with Great white (GW).
Now I know i could be just using the same product over and over, Biosys and GW I think are the same on the microbes list but Biosys comes with kelp and the humic thingy's so better for a drench in my opinion... both are about the same cost... Now Urb looks like its has a lot less microbes that the other 2 but with extra added brown gooey stuff for everything to live in and stay alive... this means Urb has a self life over the powdered varieties.
What I have done so far is remove MP from my line up on 3 grows... dusting my roots with GW after potting on (always done that from the start) started a bi-weekly drench with the Biosys and following the advice from the chief grower at Urb to use it at the rate of 0.6ml to 1.0ml per ltr on a run to waste system (that's no where near what they recommend on the bottle).
My observational findings so far are as follows (these observations are with clones that have been grown out a couple of time. 2 strains, Alien Rift, and my Lemon Chello cut) -
I've noticed an increase in bud sites on both strains, very explosive and a slight game changer on yield ( 2 harvest are in, still to weigh but I know by looking I've hit record harvests for the space's)
I've also noticed that they have sped up by a few days, with one of my cuts (lemon chello) I'm doing the leaf strip at day 11 and not at day 14/15 as in previous grows.
It's also added and extra 2-3 inches on the stretch which caught me out with one space, plants got with-in 3" from the lights. They got well away from me and had a huge burst of stretch in week 3 that i was not expecting.
Calyx size has increased as well on both the strains, considerable more on my 3 different Alien Rift cuts
The big thing I did notice is the missing MP from the line up, yes i got more bud sites and bigger plants, bigger calyx's etc etc etc. so you could say with my new additions that they work better than MP... I don't think they do, they just work in a different way... what was missing from the grows was the MP plumpness, those buds are just not as dense and as big as they where with MP in the line up... so with Urb claiming to be better than MP I would say no your not BUT you make more bud sites / bigger plants to compensate on the missing yield MP brings in... this also showed me that MP does what it say on the tin, it really does work.
for the next 2 grows I've added MP back in with the Urb and the bi-weekly drench with Biosys... after those 2 grows I will remove Urb or Biosys then vice versa to see if they are just the same or working in there own way... I'm also playing with the amount of Urb I'm using, cut back on the second grow with it on the lemon chello from 1ml to 05.ml. We are in the 3rd week so far with no difference from drooping down to 0.5ml a ltr... this could mean Urb is doing bugger all and Biosys is doing all the work, only time will tell on that one... to be truthful there is something to that Urb but it could just be the gooey brown stuff they like to add that feeding the microbes from the Biosys, Urb has very small microbes list than the others.
Glad you’ve joined the conversation and thanks for the research! It’s fascinating and I can’t wait to hear your final conclusion. I’m guessing you’re on to something with the theory that both products have their place - just different places at different times.
I wonder whether we should start a thread under a better (more accurate) thread title? This is quickly turning more into a more general discussion of microbes in the growing of cannabis - theory and application. I think it’s a massively important subject as the use of chemical fertilizers is having a drastic negative effect on the soil world wide and on the groundwater - right along with pesticides. Heck, I just learned that if you work hard to build and maintain a healthy microbial population in your soil and then throw high number fertilizers I to the mix, you’ll either kill off many/most of the microbes or make those that don’t die go dormant; because your plant is like a junky - if it’s getting a nutrient ‘free of charge’ it will shut down the normal process of obtaining that nutrient. This is a likely cause of why many people think organically grown cannabis just tastes better.
In any case, glad you’re involved in the discussion!