Harvest & Curing Mold while drying

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Hi There!

This is an interesting thread - because i've already molded an entire jar of weed and did my research.

CAVEAT: I'm only concerned about your heath - and ultimately it's your choice.

WARNING
Some of the info in this thread is wild. Like Bizarro land. The Twighlight Zone and a journey to the centre of the earth (all combined).

Water: Wont Kill Mold Spores.
Fire: Will Kill Mold Spore - but only the bit that's burning. i.e in a joint - not the bit inbetween your mouth and the fire - breath it in - they're very small

Not having a go at any member or Jorge Cervantes - and i kinda wish we had a real scientist on board too, but a lot of the info is copied from members (of another forum) with no experience adding their "thoughts"/"opnions"(unfounded) to a grass city thread.

Bearing in mind we'll probably be smoking our product in a joint - or some method of inhalation. (using suction from our lungs)

Here's a a few of the microbial contaminants that may be found in medicinal Cannabis, especially that which is grown in cultivation environments that do not minimize mould growth risk.

I'll start my favourite and most common.

Botrytis: A necrotrophic fungus that affects many plant species. Also known as grey mould or bud rot, it can result in respiratory allergic reactions.

Aspergillus: One of the more potentially deadly moulds to humans. Some species produce large amounts of aflatoxin, which is both a toxin (mycotoxin) and a carcinogen. Exposure can cause allergic reactions and/or infections, especially in immune compromised patients.

Cladosporium: Is a plant pathogen that can affect Cannabis size, yield and quality. This is the group that contains the most common moulds but generates no mycotoxins. Over exposure can cause asthma attacks and/or pneumonia in some patients.

Peniccillium: Exposure can cause severe allergic reactions in patients who are sensitive to the antibiotic Penicillin.

There's just a few of the big problem areas of moldy weed.

As you can see - for patients with low immune systems, moldy weed is a terrible thing to have.
The most common mold that we'll see is Botrytis - this will screw up your lungs.

AFAIK (as far as i know)

The only way to really be sure is to run as close to 100% proof alchohol through (99.9% ISO from maplins works) to kill the spores and make an ISO extraction.

 

[Eyes on Fire]

I forget at what temps kill the living molds ,but if not trimmed out I tend to make oil or similar with mine and set it according to whats going on.decarbing kills em and at that point your free to use em as you want,assuming your making some eats and your general health is in good standing ,so it should even phase you. I have a compromised immune system actually and I eat molds from time to time.but wont smoke them. BHO,OIL,and de carbing will all neutralize much of the issues in y experience. not digestion issues n so on. never had an issue,and as we all know this time of year is problematic to say the least. but thats what I do. mold equals not smoking it and making some eats after decarbing it. few mold spores can stand higher heat at temp and time spent in there.

 

[Bum]

Wooah, thank you for the 101 in mold @blue @Eyes on Fire

ISO it is then to be as sure as possible I guess? I can get the 99.5% Isopropanol over here, will that do?

So trimming the parts showing mold will also do the job? No risk of non-visible spores left behind?

 

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Hi
@Bum

I don't think isopropanol is the same thing - i think it's toxic and used in the production of acetone.
I've only ever been advised Isopropyl Alchohol, which is also called rubbing alchohol.

Warning 2

I've been advised by one of the other mods who works in the medicinal side of the business that they would not even do an ISO extraction with moldy buds and they should go straight to the bin.

Seems like there's a varying level of acceptance to what should and shouldnt be done. I defer to the greater knowledge of the medicinal growers.

 

[Corgy]

Never mind the spores, they are everywhere and inhaled with every breath wherever........mycotoxins is the possible concern here. A quick google search of "mold and neurotoxins cannabis" will give a better understanding.

http://www.survivingtoxicmold.com/help___where_do_i_start__

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/03/molds-making-you-ill.aspx
Mold: The Common Toxin That Can Be FAR More Damaging Than Pesticides and Heavy Metals
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  By Dr. Mercola
  
  Mold in your home, school, or workplace can pose a number of serious health problems that you may not realize are related to mold exposure. This article is part of a series of articles I wrote about this silent health threat. The focus of this particular article will be on some of the more serious medical conditions—some deadly—with which mold has been associated.
  
  For more information, check out this article on the overview of mold – where you might find it, how to identify it, and how to get rid of it.
  
  In a previous interview with mold expert Dr. Jack Thrasher, he estimated that as many as 40 percent of American schools and 25 percent of homes have mold infestations, unbeknownst to the people occupying those buildings. It follows that adverse health effects of mold may be reaching pandemic levels.
  
  Growing right along with mold are what are called "gram negative" and "gram positive" bacteria.1 Just like mold, they require moisture and organic material to thrive and are often found growing in the same places as mold, and the synergistic action between mold and bacteria further worsen inflammatory health conditions. Oftentimes, bacterial infections occur alongside fungal infections and make treatment more complicated.
  
  Everyone is potentially at risk for toxic mold exposure, regardless of your geographic region, climate, socioeconomic status, race, age, or gender. As with most other medical challenges, knowledge is your most powerful weapon.
  
  Scientific research has been emerging that connects mold exposure with various health conditions for which the causes were previously unknown. For example, in 2010, Fisk et al published a meta-analysis2 showing a substantially significant association between residential dampness and mold with respiratory infections and bronchitis. Dr. Michael Gray has compiled a database of conditions reported in the literature of adverse health effects of fungi in man and other species. These include, but are not limited to, the following conditions—some common and some relatively esoteric:
  
  Alimentary toxic aleukia (a lack of leukocytes arising from food poisoning) Dendrodochiotoxicosis (alimentary mycotoxicosis caused by Dendrodochium toxicum fungus) Kashin-Beck disease (an bone and joint disease) Usov's disease
  Stachybotryotoxicosis Cardiac beriberi Ergotism (the effect of long-term poisoning by ergot fungus) Balkan nephropathy (a form of kidney disorder)
  Reye's syndrome (condition that causes swelling of your brain and liver) Hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) Onyalai (a rare form of thrombocytopenia; abnormally low platelet count)
  Mold CAN Hurt You
  Many common health problems may be associated with mold exposure, butvery few people have connected the dots. This is why it is SO important for you to be aware of the seriousness of this problem and become familiar with what to look for.
  
  From a toxicity point of view, some mycotoxins (toxic substances produced by mold) are actually far more toxic than heavy metals, in terms of concentration. Mycotoxins also tend to affect more biological systems in your body than do pesticides or heavy metals, partly because fungi have the ability to dodge your immune system by rapidly mutating, while at the same time producing chemicals that suppress your immune system.
  
  If your immune system is stressed in any way, or if you are extremely sensitive and have allergy-like reactions to a variety of agents (see Multiple Chemical Sensitivity syndrome or MCS), then you may be even MORE sensitive to mold than the average person and have chronic symptoms directly related to mold in your environment. But even if you are generally healthy, mold can still pose a significant risk if you are caught off-guard.
  
  Deadly Mycotoxins Can Cross Into Your Brain from Your Nose and Eyes
  Mycotoxins3 are chemical toxins present within or on the surface of the mold spore, which you then unwittingly inhale, ingest, or touch. These mold toxins are extremely potent and often affect nearly every organ system in your body. Some effects resemble radiation sickness. Some are neurotoxic and produce central nervous system effects, including cognitive and behavioral changes, ataxia, and convulsions. Approximately 70 percent of the people with confirmed exposure to toxigenic molds exhibit significant neurotoxicity.4
  
  Scientists believe that mycotoxins are the organism's way of holding a competitive edge by defeating other organisms that are trying to thrive in the same environment—like humans, for example.
  
  One of the reasons mycotoxins are so toxic is they can cross directly into your brain. According to Dr. Thrasher, your olfactory neurons are in direct communication with your brain—there is no barrier. Anything you have inhaled or smelled, even if it doesn't have an odor, can go directly into your brain via these olfactory neurons. Mycotoxins have even been found to enter your brain via optic muscles and optic nerves. This lack of a blood-brain barrier has been confirmed in scientific studies.5
  
  This creates the potential for mold-induced sinusitis to lead to serious brain complications if left untreated.
  
  More than 200 mycotoxins have been identified from common molds. Mycotoxins interfere with RNA synthesis and may cause DNA damage.6Mycotoxins, even in minute quantities, are lipid-soluble and readily absorbed by your intestinal lining, airways, and skin. Even spores that are no longer able to reproduce can still harm your health due to these mycotoxins—in other words, "dead" mold spores are every bit as dangerous as "live" ones. The spores do not produce the toxins—rather, it is thought that the toxins are produced when the spores are produced by the mold colony.
  
  The mycotoxins that have probably received the most attention by researchers are the trichothecenes, produced by Stachybotyrs chartarum and Aspergillus versicolor, two of the molds I'd like to discuss due to their especially toxic effects.
  
  Stachybotrys Chartarum: The Dreaded 'Black Mold'
  Stachybotrys chartarum (SC)7 is a greenish black mold that grows on material with high cellulose content, such as wood, straw, hay, wicker, cardboard, fiberboard, etc., particularly when these materials become water-damaged. It needs a good deal of dampness to flourish. According to Mold-Help.org,8 the toxic effects ofStachybotrys chartarum were first reported in the 1920s in Russia when horses and cattle that had eaten moldy hay began dying. The "Yellow Rain" attacks in Southeast Asia in the 1970s were associated with aerosolized trichothecenes, the type of mycotoxin produced by this highly toxic type of mold.
  
  SC is typically dark in color and wet and slimy to the touch. It can also appear grayish or sooty, with a powdery appearance.
  
  However, it's important to remember that molds cannot be identified visually—many molds are similar in appearance.
  
  Cladosporium, Aspergillus, Alternaria, and Drechslera, can be mistaken for Stachybotrys. The only definitive way to identify a species is by examination of the spores under a microscope, which is why professional testing is so important.
  
  According to Mold-Help.org:9
  
  "Most people are not aware that harmful molds come in a variety of colors—they can be white, or orange, or blue, for instance. The color of a mold generally has to do with the spores it produces, and has no bearing on whether it is dangerous or not. There are some white molds that grow on walls and other surfaces that can be just as bad as the harmful black molds."
  
  Mycotoxin poisoning by Stachybotrys is referred to as stachybotryotoxicosis. In animal studies, trichothecenes are 40 times more toxic when inhaled than when ingested orally. But even if SC is present in your environment, you may not be at risk because it may not be currently releasing toxins.
  
  Again, according to Mold-Help.org:10
  
  "Laboratory studies indicate that molds such as Stachybotrys that have the ability to produce toxins do not always do so. Whether a mold produces a toxin while growing in a building may depend on what the mold is growing on, conditions such as temperature, food, pH, humidity or other unknown factors. When mycotoxins are present, they occur on spores and the small mold fragments that may be released into the air."
  
  The spores from SC can survive temperatures up to 500 degrees F, as well as surviving caustic agents like bleach and acid. According to Dr. Michael Gray, spores from molds removed from two million year-old sedimentary rocks have grown when placed in a favorable media!
  
  When these mycotoxins are present, they can suppress and even destroy your immune system, including your lymphoid tissue and bone marrow. Animals injected with SC toxins experience hemorrhaging from their brains and other organs, including their thymus, spleen, lungs, intestine, liver, and kidney. Humans with chronic exposure to SC mycotoxins have reported the following health problems:
  
  Cold and flu symptoms Respiratory problems, such as asthma and nose bleeding Memory loss Muscle aches
  Sore throat Headaches Dermatitis and rashes Fatigue and generalized malaise
  Hair loss Cancer Pulmonary hemorrhage, emphysema-like disease Autoimmune disease
  Could SIDS Be Caused by Mold Toxicity?
  The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) warns that the toxic effects from mold, such as Stachybotrys, may cause severe health problems in infants, including acute vomiting, diarrhea, asthma attacks, and even pulmonary hemorrhaging in severe cases. But it may be far worse than that.
  
  Long-term exposure can lead to death.11 According to a public health report in 1994 in Cleveland, Ohio, eight infants were repeatedly exposed to potent mold toxins. One infant died from pulmonary hemorrhage. Five of the eight infants suffered recurring illness once they returned home from the hospital, after treatment. According to the AAP12, some American infant fatalities classified as "SIDS" (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) may actually be related to mold exposure.
  
  According to Vicki Lankarge, author of What Every Homeowner Needs to Know About Mold (And What to Do About It), there have been 45 reported cases of infant mold exposure since the 1994 incident in Ohio. And sixteen of these infants died. If your infant inhales these mycotoxins, the blood vessels in his lungs are weakened. If this exposure goes on long enough, it can result in severe pulmonary hemorrhaging and death.13 Exposure to mold has also been linked to croup, pneumonia, and bronchitis in infants.
  
  Aspergillosis: Mold That Can Take Up Residence in Your Lungs
  Aspergilli are some of the most common environmental molds, frequently found in decaying plant matter, such as compost heaps. Inside, it's found in air conditioning and heating ducts, insulation, and even on some food and spices. Most strains of this common mold are not dangerous, but a few can cause serious illness when their spores are inhaled by people who have weakened immune systems, as is the case with asthma or underlying lung disease. Or, healthier individuals can be at risk from long-term exposure to mold quietly growing in water-damaged buildings.
  
  Infections caused by Aspergillus are called aspergillosis,14 which is actually a group of illnesses ranging from mild to severe lung infections, or even whole-body infections. The most serious type of aspergillosis is invasive aspergillosis, which is when the mold invades your blood vessels and the spreads to the rest of your body.
  
  Aspergillus allergy can result in fever, productive cough, and worsening asthma.
  
  With aspergillosis, you can actually grow a "fungal ball" in your lungs, a tangled ball of fungal fiber called aspergilloma. Aspergilloma can lead to coughing up blood (hemoptysis), wheezing, shortness of breath, fatigue, and weight loss. According to the Mayo Clinic,15 if this type of fungal infection becomes very severe, it can spread to your brain, heart, kidneys, or skin. You can also develop pneumonia. Invasive aspergillosis can cause:
  
  Fever and chills Hemoptysis (coughing up blood) Pulmonary hemorrhage Shortness of breath
  Chest or joint pain Nosebleeds Facial swelling on one side Skin lesions
  Exposure to one known variety of Aspergillus (A. niger) can damage your hearing. Severe Aspergillus infections are generally treated with aggressive intravenous antifungal medications, and even surgery in some cases. You can obtain more information about aspergillosis here.
  
  Other Diseases Surprisingly Linked to Mold Exposure
  Dangerous molds have now been linked to a number of different diseases16 that are prevalent today, including learning disabilities, gastrointestinal disturbances and GERD, heart problems, cancer, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, and several autoimmune diseases. Kurt and Lee Ann Billings wrote the book Mold: The War Within17 after extensive personal bouts with toxic mold exposure, writing extensively about their experience and recovery. They describe ongoing problems with thyroid regulation, in terms of both excess and deficiency, among a multitude of other health problems.
  
  The truth is, when your immune system is impaired, almost anything can happen in terms of negative health effects. This makes identifying the cause a real challenge, and when mold is hidden, it is extremely easy to miss the link between toxic mold exposure and a persisting health problem. This makes it that much more important to find a healthcare provider who can perform a smart, comprehensive evaluation if you find yourself in the unfortunate situation of having an unexplained medical condition.
  
  Diagnostic Challenges Require Uncommon Expertise
  In their book, the Kurt and Lee Ann Billings interview a number of specialists who treat mold reactions. One of these specialists is Michael R. Gray, M.D., M.P.H., C.I.M.E.,18 Board Certified in Preventative Medicine and Occupational Medicine. In a 2007 interview with Dr. Gray (Billings book, page 160), Dr. Gray explained that although white counts elevate with bacterial infections, they do NOT generally elevate with fungal infections. This is a key piece of data that can help your physician tease out the cause of your infection.
  
  Additionally, fungal infections will cause an increase in eosinophils (a type of blood cell associated with allergies and parasites) in the area of the infection, such as in your nasal mucosa. This phenomenon was confirmed by a study from the Mayo Clinic, according to Billings.
  
  Knowledge like this is NOT something the ordinary healthcare practitioner holds. So it is necessary for you to be as knowledgeable as possible, in addition to finding a physician who has a good deal of training and experience in environmental medicine. Some of the tests that may be needed in a comprehensive workup include:
  
  Metabolic panel, including electrolytes, blood sugar, kidney and liver status Measurement of serum antibodies to molds and mycotoxins Immune tests for autoantibodies, complement, gamma globulins, and lymphocyte panels
  Urine and blood testing for mycotoxins Pulmonary function tests Pupillometry and heart rate variation to assist in the evaluation of autonomic nervous system function
  Neuropsychological test batteries EEG Brain imaging techniques, such as SPECT and magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)
  Visual contrast sensitivity tests Hearing tests Thyroid hormone level
  Need Help Finding a Physician?
  Dr. Thrasher has compiled a list of physicians who are well versed in treating people for mold exposure, which you can access here. In my interview with him, he specifically mentioned the following three physicians:
  
  1. Michael R. Gray, MD in Benson, Arizona
  2. Ritchie Schoemaker, MD in Maryland, author of Surviving Mold19 (not listed on Dr. Thrasher's webpage)
  3. Janette Hope, MD in Santa Barbara, California
  Please watch for the next article in my mold series, where I'll be discussing the best course of treatment for mold-induced illnesses.
  
  Remediation Steps for Mold Problems
  Now, if you have mold in your home, you'll want to call in a professional, because there's no telling how bad the problem might be. The visible portion may just be the tip of the iceberg. Standard mold remediation includes:
  
  1. Setting up containments and sucking the air out with negative air pressure. (This is similar to turning on your bathroom vent fan.)
  2. Next, they clear the air using a HEPA filtered air purifier or scrubber. The air must be cleaned because once they start working on the mold, the spores will begin to fly everywhere like light dust.
  3. Wearing protective gear, such as HEPA filtered respirators, goggles, protective suits, and latex gloves, the remediator begins taking the affected area apart. Removed parts, such as drywall, are slowly and carefully placed into a bag.
  4. Once the affected pieces are bagged, every inch of the area is carefully HEPA vacuumed again.
  5. Once the source of the mold has been located, it's carefully removed using hot soapy water, scrub brush, HEPA filtered sanders, chisels, or any other tool that will remove the mold.
  6. Professional remediators will typically treat the area with a disinfectant, as bacteria accompany mold growth.
  7. Next, the area is force dried. Once thoroughly dry, repairs can be made.
  You can find contractor or professional listings on the following sites. Both the IICRC and NORMI are certifying organizations for mold remediation, but the IICRC certification is perhaps the most widely used:
  
  • IICRC (Institute of Inspection, Cleaning and Restoration Certification)
  • NORMI (National Organization of Remediators and Mold Inspectors)
  • ACAC (American Council for Accredited Certification)—a certifying body that is third-party accredited.
  • The IAQA (Indoor Air Quality Association)—a membership organization with no certification program (the ACAC handles this by agreement)
  • RIA (Restoration Industry Association)
  Keep in mind that a mere certification or listing may not be enough. Also evaluate the remediator's qualifications and insurance (liability as well as workman's comp). With the ACAC, there are a few different levels.
  
  Post Mold Remediation Air Purification Strategies
  Once you've remediated the mold, or if you don't have any to begin with, you may want to consider addressing the air quality.
  
  Ozone generators effectively remove odors, even some of the most persistent ones, including combusted materials (fire), organic odors, and skunk. They should not be used when you're in the room at levels higher than the EPA recommends, however, and they pose a danger to both plants and pets. But the ozone dissipates quickly, so after airing the area out for about 20 minutes, it's safe to return, and there is no residue. It is important to understand that air purifiers incorporating ozone use an active process and do not physically capture any indoor air pollutants.
  
  Rather they generate a safe dose of ozone that will oxidize and permanently remove the pollutants just the way they do outdoors in Mother Nature.
  
  When it comes to air purification units for your home, the EPA has established clear ozone limits for occupied spaces… and that's 0.05 ppm. And this establishment by the EPA seems to make a great deal of sense since typical levels outdoors are present at 0.05 ppm and are still considered safe. So there is no reason to be fearful of ozone. I personally run two of these units in my home constantly to keep the air clean of pollutants, mold spores and any occasional odors that migrate into the home.
  
  Another useful tool in the remediation process is the photocatalytic oxidizer, an active air purifier that employs UV light on titanium dioxide. I personally like these and highly recommend them because they cover the whole house (up to 3,000 square feet), require little maintenance, and are relatively inexpensive.
  
  Always remember however, you must remove any mold FIRST, before you consider purifying the air of any lingering odors.
  

 

[Eyes on Fire]

thats not entirely true actually. breathing through a spore ridden or laced rag for example is a far higher concentration of said spores or toxins of course,but its very diluted in the breaths we take in daily activity and then compromised neurological and/or immune systems will and does paint an entirely different picture including eats.some of the info it good but over all the statement is wrong to not worry about them.

 

[Corgy]

thats not entirely true actually. breathing through a spore ridden or laced rag for example is a far higher concentration of said spores or toxins of course,but its very diluted in the breaths we take in daily activity and then compromised neurological and/or immune systems 75 will and does paint an entirely different picture including eats.some of the info it good but over all the statement is wrong to not worry about them.

You're absolutely right, but in this particular context with buds already mouldy and what to do, the spores is insignificant and that was what above post reflected and referred to.

There seems to be a general misconception about spores and what they are, they are merely the transmission agent(s), but NOT the mold itself. Of course the concentration of spores has influence on how succesfull a mold is in establishing itself, much like the chances of getting a field successfully planted is higher the more seeds is scattered and the probability of a seed ending up in a benign spot where it can develop..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore

 

[Eyes on Fire]

oh i know and fogein materials in compromised systems are what I was referring too,any forgein matter regardless of what it is can cause harm to the right people with issues ,much less lung issues.. I happen to know people who have talked with specialists in the field and I have to disagree.Even though i do understand they are a benign thing generally speaking but can carry things too. so again its always best to play it safe and cook at high heats after trimming or water curing with a H2O2 blend for the first few days of the water cure.. itas a simplistic approach but again,a VERY necessary one if your sick is all i was saying. we both agree LOL!

 

[PureBlaze420]

Ok I think I messed up bad...

My last harvest I put in 2 paper bags, flipped them nugs over daily then went away for the weekend. Apparently there wasn't enough air circulation I'm guessing and I found some buds with white mold last night..

Is the entire bag considered bad?
Can I cut away the parts with mold and keep curing it or should I take all nugs showing mold and make qwiso from it?

This sucks....

not sure if anyone has mentioned this before but whenever my plants are ready to cut down and have mould or powdery mildew i immediatly make fill a 10 gallon bin with water and i add 25 ml of hydrogen peroxide or more. I place my cutdown mouldy bud in this bath and move it around in the water/hydrogen peroxide. immediatly bubbles start to happen where the mould & powdery mildew is(infection being killed) you will start to see the mould or pm floating in the water and you just have to push it away and take your buds out, dip in another bin with just water and shake the shit out of it getting most of thebwater off, set in front of a fan while hang drying to remove water droplets, after a couple of hours have the fan blowing around in your drying room but not blowing directly on the buds or you can get mould again lol