Indoor my star ryder experience

[kfigerm]

Hi guys,

this is my first "going public" with a grow.
I have quite some experience on soil, but everything else is new to me.
So I frankly say I am a noob! Please be patient with me

This will be a star ryder test with

- no-name seedling soil, without any pre-nutritioning
- biobizz allmix
- one dwc bucket

all are feed with advanced hydroponics 3-part+calmag-bloom,rhizo, and some sensizym and big bud when the time has come.

And one dineafem white cheese in a kind of a hempy bucket construction.

I have only 225W of power in 2x65W Panels and one 125 Panel which sits in the center.

Here is how it all began.

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Some might get cought by the hempy-construction.
My "problem" was that the seedling was late - he popped up after 5 days, just as i wanted to dispose it. I thougth I had nothing to lose to test a little creativity on hempy buckets, as I heard a lot about it and wanted to get into it. And I hat an idea if a small convenient self-feeding system which could live alone for some time.
I installed a selfmade drippingsystem upon the hempy, and made a three-part-container:
perlite resides in an airpot
which is stacked in the first (regular hempy) bucket with drain-hole
which is put into a bucked which holds another reservoir to top up trough the dripper.

heres the detail:
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now we are on day 25.

The hempy turned out as not too bad - but as it got too wet in the begining, and I didn't cover the outer reservoir, I have some algae. The wc is small, but it still has it's time to develop.

The ryders are doing all well as I can tell. Only the one in the allmix has some brown leaves and some yellowish tips, which I hope is a little n an mg deficiency. And I hope I work on it the right way. Could be some overfertilizing as well, but i didn't see any claws or burnt tips (yet).

any thoughts?
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Now to the "status quo"

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frontrow: l - white cheese (to be fair one should say its day 20 for her)
r - sr in dwc
backrow: l - sr in noname seedling soil
r - sr in allmix

I am a little in a trouble, as just the time the stretch begins (when I compare to others) I won't be able to control all myself, as I'm away for some days.
So the time has come that the hempy reservoir comes into duty and I'll see If its dry when I'll come back.

What should I do to the dwc ?
ATM I am running it at:

full dose of base nutes+calmag+little rhizo @ ec 1.1 and ph 5.82 (stable).
nothing else.
As I expect the stretch to begin mid to end of the week, what should I do ?
Top up and set strength higher? Or just leave it as is ?
The res is 15l/4gal - I'll be away for 5 days a friend will come once to look for them.
But as I am (and he is) a noob to dwc - what would you suggest to do ?

And now some thing I just noticed today:
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I have an eleven fingered leaf on the dwc star-ryder.
Its squirled a little, but I counted it many times...11...what the heck is this going to be ?


So I hope to do well on all but theres so much for me to learn.

kfigerm

 

[Scott817]

Thats a interesting setup for sure. Are you running a constant drip on them? In small hydro setups I had to change my water twice a week to keep it all clean and healthy.

 

[kfigerm]

Hi Guys,

as I'll be away for some days some little update.
the all-mix-lady had little K and MG problems as it seems and is recovering right now.
I fed it with lots of water with AH g/b/m - half/0/half + half calmg - after seeing slight recovery I flushed with normal growth-mix 1/half/half at ec 0800µS.
I have seen this earlier on my think-differents but didn't dare to blame the soil. This test seems to prove it a little - at least for me. So I'll switch definitely away from allmix for autos.

"Lady elevenclaws" is slowly growing up and still is stable at ec 1180µS. She doesn't drink too much, but as long all is stable, i just sit wand wait for her to blow up.
Still some time, but i think she'll take off when I can't react in the next couple of days :-/

No pics atm, but I hope the next pics show nice and healthy plants when I'll be back.

@scotty: depends - when she was small, I kept the perlite wet and dripped every 3h. Now I simply drip twice daily to top up and get some motion in the resolution.
I changed the res only once and then I let it drain for 12h and afterwards i took ph/ec - I wanted to get sure the inner res and the outer res get a good flood and exchange - and solve some salts in the system.
Done nothing else to it yet.

h.a.n.d to all

 

[kfigerm]

Hello mates,

there was some action going on with the four ladies. Its Day 31.

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first of all - the DWC lady got a bit root-rot. I must have bend the air-tube, there was only little output left :-/
PH was up to 6.5 withing 24 h and the res stank and was milky white.
I changed the res immediately and added a little H2O2, hopefully she'll be bright white under the skirt soon again.
But - shes doing not to bad!

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more to follow - no spoilers

the lady in allmix becomes a litte pale and still gets some more brown spots on some upper leaves, and the tips are yellowing Cal/mg and/or K defficiency ?

What do the experts say ?

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She definitley doesn't do as well as her sister in simple seedling-soil

She grew quite a bit and looks promising to start flowering nutes - she as well gets some pale yellow tips now, but no burn or claws.
I think I'll simply switch to bloom nutes ans see what happens in the next few days.

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The hempy does very nice - the white cheese grows not very dense, but gains heigt - shes taller than the others by now.
My experiment did well, the outer reservoir was not empty after 5 days and the inner was still filled up - so I could have stayed away for another 2-3 days without touching it at all.
So I think i'll switch all my soil grows in the future to such a hempy construction if the rest of the grow turns out as well as atm. DWC (still for me )is too "hands on".

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But I am veeery impressed by the DWC, now comes the porn:

Mrs. "elevenfingers" has now 2 "hands" with ........... count yourselves :

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never ever have seen something like this lady! DWC Rocks! And this ryder is an crude creation Hail and praises to the creator(s)
Now I just want som nice harvest - the "wow"-effect was already there with these leaves

So hopefully I'm getting tuned in to all of the ladies in the next days again, that all of them have a nice and bloomy life.

Cheers,

kfigerm

 

[kfigerm]

Hi,
So here's a quick update.
My day-count was "reset" and today I'm counting day 38 - to get it closer to comparable values, I started to count the day I put them into the growroom, now Its the day they showed their first "real" leafs.

The soil ladies do completely differently. The one on allmix already shows nice bud developement, but is poorly grown. The other grows well, is taller than my DWC ryder, but it's by far not as dense - and doesn't show 11 fingers ;-)

The white cheese in the hempy grows on and has taken the lead in hight, but is far lighter with less branches.

The ryders vary from 35 (allmix),40 (dwc) and 45 cm (seedling soil).

I just did a res change on the dwc with 1-2-1 (gbm) ratio for 15l
ph 5.9
ec 1,4
(will rise I know that - I always have that and its the temp-change me thinks)
I switched all to bloom fertilizers now, as I thought I have seen some Mg and K deficiencies, and to prevent them to outgrow my space.
If I look at others - especialy keysers grow, I prefer not too huge plants. His and seymour-buds ryders looked very light in the End as well, perhaps I manage to keep them a little denser.
I was expecting some 50-60 cm "christmas trees", but atm everything looks a little different - but very promising If I can keep all under control somehow. Hopefuly all will work out. I am still a noob.

pics will follow the next days. forgot to charge the cam.

Cheers,

kfigerm

 

[kfigerm]

Hi guys,
here are the pics with a little update.

DWC: the res-change yesterday was right, I hope I do her right.
Today the ph was up to 6.3 and ec is 1.5 - but she shows no negative reactions yet. Seems OK.
set ph back to 5,8 and watch her - perhaps she wants even more now.

The ladies on soil show some deficiencies - I hope giving them a stronger dose today will lift them up a little again.

The hempy still grows with no signs of flowering.

Here are the pics - a little dark today - (edit: i worked a bit on them).

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hempy white cheese left
dwc star ryder right

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star ryder in seedling soil.

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and the canopy - in the back the two ladies in soil - they have some yellowish leaves and brown spots, but they are doing well - both startet flowering.
In the frontrow the wc left and sr right.
They stand at 40-55cm height now. The smalles has the most flowers atm

If I'm wrong with my diagnosis this time, I'll get in trouble, so keep your fingers crossed for me. Hopefully I we don't read further in the infirmary

kfigerm

 

[Hazy]

Looking good in there :thumbs:

 

[kfigerm]

Hi,

here's a very small update.
The smallest sr in allmix and small pot is most advanced with flowering - but she stayed really small in comparison to the others.
Next is the other one in seedling-soil, and last is the one in dwc - don't know why, but perhaps the (slight) deficiencies in soil told them, they would'nt live too long, and have to hurry with flowering Or lady elevenfingers is so comfy, she want's to stay longer - would be a nice compliment for my noob skills
What do I know about ladies minds

It's day 41 and everything looks as fine as it could look.
I Think I will further up the ec of the soil ladies - its 1.2 atm.

DWC was raised and stays at ec1,7 - ph only slightly went up to 5.9 over 12h, so i'll let that.

I am going the lucas-formula on the AH-nutritients since the deficiencies showed and think I am going with it till the end now, with very little pk13/14 and some calmag additions. I'm not sure how many I can put in, so just to get the levels right 0.1ml/l should be ok - thats my startingpoint and I'll raise as I dare

Temperatures are OK, but rh is up at 70% - it's early bloom, so it's not yet a problem, but I must get it drier in there in the following weeks me thinks.
This grow is now the one that beats all with overall hight. My Think differents are beaten now and I just hope for a big yield - everything above 200g from this 4 plants is big for me

So only one pic atm

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Now "I sit and watch the children play" *sing*

Cheers

 

[kfigerm]

Hi guys,

another update.

They (the star ryders) are now at 48,57,65 cm height.
Both soil ladies started to flower nicely. As I think the one in seedling soil now got a real deficiency, i upped ec on her to 1.3 with extra pk 13/14 and some epsom salt.
If she doesn't burn now I'll go up some more.
The lady in DWC sits on ec 2.0 and does well. I removed the first 4 lowest branches because they were in the shadows and they held too much humidity - it was too dense down there.
So the lady lost her eleven fingered hands - but I preserved them

I learn everyday as I look at them - I think I did some mistakes, but this time I wanted to prevent overfertilizing, so I was very decent this time.
But as I have read about other peoples ec values even in soil, I dare now to up all even more.
For my growspace, they now are big enough to bud up now - I'll get in trouble if they stretch more - I'll definitely look into scroging for the next grow.
I have to work with the little tent and 250W of power, so I try to get the best out of it.
So I am hopefully getting to the point of experience where I can work with only 3 or even 2 plants and get the same results as with 4

So here's a big hug to all of you at afn!

Here are the pics:
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canopy

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the one with the def - red stems and the leafs...diagnosis correct?

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lady elevenfingers at 57cm

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the white cheese

and
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Cheers

 

[kfigerm]

Hi guys,

The day 50 update.

The star ryder ladies now are within 50 and max 70 cm, the White cheese has taken the lead with 75cm, but was cut twice to prevent further height growth.
The smallest is the one that started in allmix, but had shown the first deficiencies and now is the first to produce nice resin. I think the's ahead all the others by 10 days or so. Things can be so different with different people

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The bigger one in soil does well, but had some defs meanthile too, but she stabilized.

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The last watering was only a flush to remove salts, the next watering tomorrow will be with full strength at ec 1.6.
I still don't believe I give so much to soil, but now I understand why my earlier tries with standard values didn't work out so well


Lady elevenfingres has some problems I think. I made a res-change two days ago, and since she didn't drink even 2l and some of the lowest fanleaves fell off with a light pale brownish teint.
Some upper leaves showed some slight red ankles in the leaves, which would indicate some kind of stress.
My res ec before was 2.0 and due to adding pk13/13 to the res, i kept it lower at 1.7/1.8 - but the ec stayed stable for the last days and she drank only very little.
Any hints on this ? Do I have to worry ?
But she still looks nice.

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The white cheese in hempy still gets the "waste" of both, earth and dwc-uppings, and from time to Time I top up with ec 1.6 - now adding some pk13/14 too.

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Theres really no space left now.

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What do you al think, should I trim some leaves now, or should I simply leave them.
And if - what makes more sense - trim the ipper ones to get the light deeper, or trim the lower ones, that don't catch much light?

So thats my report for now, could be better, but could be worse too
Now looking closely at the dwc.

Cheers