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Hi everyone,

I’m planning on getting started on my first grow and looking for help and advice.

This might be a bit of a weird question but is anyone up for a phone call from me to help me understand everything and help me write notes about what I need to do ?

My set up so far,

John innes No1 soil
5 gallon fabric pot
Viparspectra r300 LED
Ph up/down
Barneys farm NYC Diesel auto
I’ll be buying a ph pen in the next couple of days

I know I need a carbon filter, in-line fan and nutes as well as a tent but they will be bought in the future.

My questions at the moment are,

What ph level should my water be ?
No nutes for the first 2-3 weeks ?

Thanks for reading
 
First... spend a little more than the 20$ for your first pen...(yes we all do it... yes we ALL end up getting away from the "yellow turd" it will be more frustration. Than help...)

Soil pH is usually kept 6.2 to 6.5 ish. Some nute lines run a little lower, 1 I can think of (Nectar for the Gods) runs a little higher. You didn't mention tent size, but the 5 gallon pot is probably oversized for a single plant grow, but won't hurt anything either... I'll be running a test first part of next year as to largest pot size that can be utilized by autos.

Relax... you will hit issues. Don't open the tent and panic... if you hit an issue, close the tent and go smoke. Think, then work on the problem. Or ask for help.

I've seen more grows go sideways due to an over reaction and an over correction!

Lurk and read... everything. You won't find more info compiled by good growers anywhere... all here ready to help!
 
Thanks for the reply.

Ok, I will ph water to 6.5
Am I right in thinking I don’t use nutes until 2-3 weeks into the grow ?

I haven’t got a tent yet I’ve got a cabinet but it’s only 3 feet high. Would that be enough to get me through my first grow ?
 
as someone just completing their first grow, this is my advice to make things easier on yourself; find a journal (or several) of a grower who is working in similar conditions to you, and try and emulate it. to me, it just makes things easier to basically copy what someone has already done successfully than it is to try and cobble together a bunch of random components and hope for the best...

a three foot cabinet is usable for sure! but training is essential to work within that space...example being my very first plants got to 2.5 feet tall in around 30 days - without worrying about the 30 inches between the tops and my LEDs. a 5 gal pot is larger than what i used, too! does the cabinet have sufficient airflow without the extraction fan? have you seen any examples of growing autos in small spaces?

as for no nutes for the first 2-3 weeks...it's not as black and white as that! i've not heard of your soil brand before so i can't comment on that...is it suitable for a seedling? if it's a hot soil, it'll eat your lil' NYC alive!
 
Is that 3' overall? With a light and pot in there, there will be no room for the plant. I use 5litre pots in a 4' space, lights tight to the top and grow 24" plants. I do a lot of training and topping.

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Yes the cabinet is 3 foot before I’ve got the lights and pot in there.

Scrap that idea then ! I’ll get a tent eventually
 
as someone just completing their first grow, this is my advice to make things easier on yourself; find a journal (or several) of a grower who is working in similar conditions to you, and try and emulate it. to me, it just makes things easier to basically copy what someone has already done successfully than it is to try and cobble together a bunch of random components and hope for the best...

a three foot cabinet is usable for sure! but training is essential to work within that space...example being my very first plants got to 2.5 feet tall in around 30 days - without worrying about the 30 inches between the tops and my LEDs. a 5 gal pot is larger than what i used, too! does the cabinet have sufficient airflow without the extraction fan? have you seen any examples of growing autos in small spaces?

as for no nutes for the first 2-3 weeks...it's not as black and white as that! i've not heard of your soil brand before so i can't comment on that...is it suitable for a seedling? if it's a hot soil, it'll eat your lil' NYC alive!

Thanks for the advice I’ve started looking at grow journals
 
I would take a serious look at a water-only soil from KIS Organics or Build a Soil, if you’re growing in soil for the first time and want organic. LOTS to learn and not having to worry about your soil would be a big help!

Get a good pH pen, like and Apera PH60

Good luck!
 
You talked about your ph but what about the ec/ppm this is a subject im struggling on as depending on the pen the functionality is different ive got a generic pen and reads ppm 235 and ec 470 with a ph of 6.35 but still uncertain if there correct sorry i no its not the place to post but thought if see if your measuring it your self?
 
You talked about your ph but what about the ec/ppm this is a subject im struggling on as depending on the pen the functionality is different ive got a generic pen and reads ppm 235 and ec 470 with a ph of 6.35 but still uncertain if there correct sorry i no its not the place to post but thought if see if your measuring it your self?

Not sure who you’re directing this at and it would be better if you started your own thread with your question - you’d probably get more answers than posting the question here, in someone else’s thread.

That said, I’ll try to address your question but I’m not entirely sure what, exactly, you’re asking. So, I’m going to address everything I can think of regarding ppm/ec pens and their use. I DO use PPM readings and I also use a generic (a.k.a. “cheap”) ppm/ec pen, like what you’re describing. But, if you have a cheap pH pen, I’d be nervous about using it; and I would double check the pH reading with an inexpensive drop kit. The kind of kit where you fill a small vial with the water, put in a few drops of solution and match the color of the result to a particular pH value. Reliable ppm/ec reading pens are very inexpensive to produce so I don’t think there’s much need to ‘invest’ in an expensive one. In my particular case, my PPM/EC pen has become extraordinarily valuable and important; but more on that later.

Assuming your stated results are correct (again, I’d recheck pH with some drops) your water ought to be great for growing. At least if you are growing in soil. I know almost nothing about hydro but I do know they use lower pH water so you’d have to lower your pH. Your question would be easier to answer if you included the type of growing you want to do or are doing: soil, coco, hydro, etc? The ppm reading may be higher than some people want for their style but it ought to be fine for soil growing. Or, you could filter it. I’m using an RO system from Hydro-Logic for my high ppm well water. My advice, start with soil and use your water as-is, if you’re just getting started.

PPM is also used by some people to determine the amount of “nutes” they are adding to their water and, in some cases, to see what is remaining behind in their soil. Most nutrient companies list dosages in terms of “teaspoons” or “tablespoons” or some fraction of them but some companies also list the ppm reading or max ppm reading, which is a far more precise measurement. I’m guessing it’s more critical for hydro and most people just use the Tsp and Tbsp method but if you’re into precision, you can use ppm. To use PPM, determine your base water PPM of TDS (Total Dissolved Solids) and add your nutrients. Then, recheck the PPM and subtract the amount of your base water reading from that number. This difference will tell you precisely how much of the nutrient you added to your water.

If you want to check how much nutrient is remaining in your soil, catch some of the runoff coming out of your pot as you pour your known-ppm nutrient solution into the pot - this is your runoff. Check PPM of the runoff and the difference will be the amount that remains in your soil. That’s the theory, anyway.

In my personal case, my ppm meter solved my plant issues. I was chasing symptoms all the time. One batch of soil would produce different deficiencies in different plants and I couldn’t get them corrected. It was making me and Plant Infirmary Guru, Waira crazy! Lol! Long story short.....my crappy well water comes out at 1025ppm and most of it is ‘unknowns’ and NOT calcium. That’s before I even added any nutrients! This has caused all sorts of nutrient lockout problems - where nutrients are present and available but something is preventing them from being absorbed by the plant. In my case, I HAD to get a RO filter and that’s solving all the nutrient issues I was having, by giving me quality water to start with. The point is, without that PPM/EC pen, I’d STILL be chasing nutrient deficiencies and just throwing more nutes at a problem the couldn’t fix!

Hope this helps. Probably way more than you wanted but I wasn’t sure what, exactly, you were asking. So I threw it all out there. Lol! Happy growing!

P.S. If you have further questions, start a new thread somewhere and tag me in it by typing the @ symbol just before my name. Like @-DTOM420 without the dash in there. It’ll let me know you want me to come look at it. But there are a lot better growers that will see a new thread and will give you better advice than I can!
 
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