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Hi guys, I'm looking for a good substrate that can make my outdoor plants feel good. I had thought about this mix for 100 litres:
30% worm humus
20% coco
1 kg bat guano
70% plagron light mix
This is my first time, so i don't know very well how to use fertilizers, so i don't want use it.
What do you think about this mix?
 
Hi guys, I'm looking for a good substrate that can make my outdoor plants feel good. I had thought about this mix for 100 litres:
30% worm humus
20% coco
1 kg bat guano
70% plagron light mix
This is my first time, so i don't know very well how to use fertilizers, so i don't want use it.
What do you think about this mix?
T hat looks good but I like a lot more amendments to my mix .I like cottonseed meal ,bone meal ,oster shells,fish bone meal , rock phosphate,feather meal ,seabird guano an humicacid derived from leonardite,kelp meal I also like to use some aged cow manure in the bottom of the pot an top dress as the plant an microbes become more established.
 
Hi guys, I'm looking for a good substrate that can make my outdoor plants feel good. I had thought about this mix for 100 litres:
30% worm humus
20% coco
1 kg bat guano
70% plagron light mix
This is my first time, so i don't know very well how to use fertilizers, so i don't want use it.
What do you think about this mix?
I also don't use the so called fertilizers or chem nutes but I do get down on teas an that's a simple thing whether it be a fish emulsion tea or a molasses worm casting kelp tea the ingredients for these teas is unlimited .
 
T hat looks good but I like a lot more amendments to my mix .I like cottonseed meal ,bone meal ,oster shells,fish bone meal , rock phosphate,feather meal ,seabird guano an humicacid derived from leonardite,kelp meal I also like to use some aged cow manure in the bottom of the pot an top dress as the plant an microbes become more established.
Woooooow is very a lot of things
For me is a first time and i can't do something to much hard because i don't know how i do
Ps. Thank you so much for all replies
 
you in the states?Or across the pond as it were? if your in the US I would say buy a KIS pack and make the 20-30 gallon mix and add to it that way. an easy rounded mix thats cost effective.And if you making it yourself you will have to start with a compost and worm casting.then you mix those two with the main soil(Base Mix)..then hit it with a few cups of garden/Sweet lime and get an amendment pack together and add that..and the easiest is probably get a bloom and veg granule or a series of items to make said items and add to soil.then moisten and blend for a cpl months.The Guano is fine as qwell.you will just want,Kelp,alfalfa meals.Need and Karanja cake and even an SNS-209 for an added benefit from a three way tie for pest prevention.then there are the items of making and brewing AACTs(teas).

Mushroom Substrate ,Bokashi and leaf mold,steer compost are all great things to have
 
well while you get a soil mix together you can look at Bio Tabs package since it will help grow a solid plant while your soil is cooking. The thing I would recommend is essentially find a mix like the KIS mix,the Revs 2.1 mix or similar to the Coots mix.all good mixes. then buy the materials and make that recipe.any of these mixes would do alright for you feed with a few Teas throughout.Happy harvesting buddy! there are 4 recipes here.Enjoy.each shopuld do fine or a mix of the 4 will also do fine most likely.Just mix n match what you have and once you do that hmu and ill give it a look see.

Mix [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG]
Three Little Birds Method
40 gallons used soil
4 cups alfalfa meal
4 cups bone meal
4 cups kelp meal
4 cups powdered dolomite lime
30 pound bag of earthworm castings . . .
That’s the basic recipe . . .
However we also like to use
4 cups of Greensand
4 cups of Rock Phosphate
4 cups of diatomaceous earth


Mix#2
50% sphagnum peat (wet this before you start mixing)
25% ewc (homemade)
15% lava rock
10% calcined diatomaceous earth

Amendments:

equal parts of each

Kelp meal
Neem meal
Crab meal
Flaxseed meal

2cups of this per cubic foot of base mix.

1cup fish bone meal per cf of base mix.

2 cups glacial rock dust.

Mix till your arm aches and then mix some more.

Now hit it with an ACT of ewc and blackstrap mollases.

Let it cycle for a month. Keeping it moist and perhaps a stir now and then.

Folks, you will now have a start to finish 'water only mix'.

I do add 1/4 tsp. of liquid silica per gallon of water.

With this mix you can leave the pH tester in the drawer and the pretty bottles at the store.



Mix#3
Full Recipe
8 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
25 to 50 lbs of organic worm castings
5 lbs steamed bone meal
5 lbs bloom bat guano
5 lbs blood meal
3 lbs rock phosphate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ cup sweet lime (dolomite)
½ cup azomite (trace elements)
2 tablespoons powdered humic acid

1/2 Recipe
4 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
12.5 to 25 lbs of organic worm castings
2.5lbs steamed bone meal
2.5lbs bloom bat guano
2.5lbs blood meal
1.5lbs rock phosphate
3/8 cup or 6 tablespoons Epsom Salts
1/4 cup or 4 tablespoon sweet lime (dolomite)
1/4 cup or 4 tablespoons azomite (trace elements)
1 tablespoon powdered humic acid

1/4 Recipe
2 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
6.25 to 12.5 lbs of organic worm castings
1.25lbs or 20 ounces steamed bone meal
1.25lbs or 20 ounces bloom bat guano
1.25lbs or 20 ounces blood meal
3/4 lbs rock phosphate
3/16 cup or 3 tablespoons Epsom Salts
1/8 cup or 2 tablespoons sweet lime (dolomite)
1/8 cup or 2 tablespoons azomite (trace elements)
1.5 teaspoons powdered humic acid

1/8 Recipe
1 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
3.125 to 6.25 lbs of organic worm castings
.625 lbs or 5/8 lbs or 10 ounces steamed bone meal
.625 lbs or 5/8 lbs or 10 ounces bloom bat guano
.625 lbs or 5/8 lbs or 10 ounces blood meal
3/8 lbs or 6 ounces rock phosphate
3/32 cup or 1.5 tablespoons Epsom Salts
1/16 cup or 1 tablespoon sweet lime (dolomite)
1/16 cup or 1 tablespoon azomite (trace elements)
3/4 teaspoon powdered humic acid



Mix#4
Base Mix:

2 gallons quality organic soil mix (or healthy organic recycled soil mix)

2 gallons throughly rinsed coir(coconut fiber)

2 gallons Pearlite(small nugget size)

2 gallons earth worm castings (fresh EWC and/or fresh compost works too)


Amendments:

1 1/2 cup grow or bloom "Pure" by Organicare (or 1 cup 5-5-5)

1/2 cup green sand

3/4 cup ground oyster shells ( 1 cup if no crushed oyster shell)

1 cup oyster shells (optional)

1/2 cup Dolomite Lime (powdered)

1 3/4 cup prilled(pelletized) fast-acting dolomite lime

1/4 cup blood meal

1/4 cup high N birb/bat guano 12-8-2 N-P-K

1/2 Heaping cup of Feather Meal

1 cup un-steamed granular bone meal (like whiney farms brand)

1/2 cup bulb food

1/4 cup powdered soft rock phosphate

1/2 heaping cup of powdered gypsum

1/2 cup kelp meal

4 heaping cups of composted steer manure (this inoculates your mix with specialized microbeasties and primo organic matter)

1/2 cup Azomite granular (add an additional 1/4 cup green sand if no Azomite)

1 cup granular humic acid ore (such as down to earth brand)

1 cup alfalfa meal (or 2 cups pellets-make sure pellets are all organic and no additives)

1/2 cup rock phosphate granular (optional)

1 heaping cup organic rice (important for the good Fungi in this soil mix)


you can buy it too pre made and pre mixed as far as Ammendments go.it makes upto a 30 gallon lighter feeding soil.Or around a 10 gallon heavier feeding soil mix.
 
Thank you so.much @Eyes on Fire you are very kind, but if i need to use all that thing's for the substrate im going to searching something pre made, and im going to watch the "plagron royalmix or all mix" what you think about? That soil can burn my autoflower? Need i to use fertilizzers?
Im really sorry for all this question but im a newbie
 
all the mixes posted seem pretty complicated indeed, however I think you can do much simpler, and then you can experiemt with extra additions later.
first off, in the OP you say a mix for 100 litres, but I don't see anywhere mentioned if this mix will end up in a 100 litre pot, or a 100 lire hole in the ground?

first thing you'd need is a base. something to root in. for pots, things like peat and coir(or a bag of potting soil, which is usually peat mixed with partly composted wood). in full soil, you already have a base, doesn't hurt to mix in some extra organic matter(compost), but you don't need to build a semi-pot by digging a big hole and filling that with potting soil. the plant will root fine in local dirt(sand/clay, different ratios of sand/clay have different properties, but that's a whole topic itself).(also digging such a hole each year would be similar to tilling, over longer term it would be better for soil structure and fungal networks if you can avoid digging around but only topdress with new ammendments).

perlite could be added here to give more airiness, however personally I haven't noticed much difference in plant performance with or without perlite, and perlite is pretty damn expensive. so personally I skip it, however I have mixed it into the soil for my perennials, since during winter(when there's a lot of rain, but little evaporation and transpiration) the soil gets pretty wet/muddy and I suspect this may be one of the reasons my strawberryplants often die in winter. however for annual plants like weed who won't live through winter, I don't really see the point of using perlite, except if you've got too much money.

(btw, I'm personally also not really into coco coir, theoretically it should be fine but every time I tried using it, either on it's own or in a mix, it didn't perform well. so I'll stick to peatbased potting soil for now)

next, nutrients. that's what most of those ammendments provide(so no need to use fertilizers), however instead of thinking about all kinds of individual ingredients, think about the nutrients they contain.
you need NPK, and to a lesser degree micronutrients. of the micronutrients calcium and magnesium are often a bit more needed(why a lot of mixes have dolomite lime), however in full soil you likely will have enough so you wouldn't need to add lime(unless your local soil needs it, look at what farmers around your area are douing to their fields. if they're not liming, you probably won't have to either).

all kinds of different organic ammendments can suply N, P and K. some are slow to breakdown, others release the nutrients very quickly. but in the end, it all breaks down to npk. so look at what's locallty available for you.
I really like chicken manure pellets, they're cheap, widely available and contain a pretty complete spectrum of nutrients. a bit high in N(and part of that is relatively quickly available), so especially good in veg.

another widely available simple option is bonemeal and bloodmeal. bonemeal is slowly released P(steamed bonemeal is more quickly available), so you need to mix it through the soil at the beginning so it has time to break down. bloodmeal is quickly available N. so still missing K with those 2.
personally I'm going to experiment with a product which I don't know the english name of(vinassekali in dutch), a product that suplies K that's a byproduct of the alcoholindustry. I want to use it to supply ,through topdressing, some extra K in flower, when the chicken manure starts running out, but I don't want to add too much N.

compost(that includes wormcompost) is especially nice in full soil, since it ads organic matter which has all kinds of positive effects on soil structure, water holding capacity, etc. in pots it has less benefit(since potting soil is already high in organic matter), but it still contains some nutrients, and also micronutrients, so doesn't hurt to add it.
 
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