Tired of dechlorinating your tap water ?

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I'm a little tired of leaving buckets of water around so I did a little digging around. I found this video on youtube testing the effects of chlorine on the microbes in our soil. To summarize, there was very little difference in the samples between the water that was left out 24 hours and the water that wasn't.





This test was done with water from the Sask river for all you fellow Canadians out there.
 
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Pool water is more chlorinated than drinking water, and I recall grass growing rather well where a lot of pool water would have splashed there. But that doesn't mean I'd feed known chlorine-containing water to my plants.

To make de-chlorination (buckets sitting out) quicker, add some mixing, such as an air stone. I presume say 3-4 hours with good mixing and aeration is comparable to letting the water sit stagnant overnight (maybe better?).
 
(oh boy, a new episode of Myth Buster Theater! :biggrin: soundz like it might be pretty good too...me got me snackz & jus gonna watch :pop: ppp)
 
How serious a problem is chlorine in municipal water for your soil and garden? Despite many scientific studies related to the topic, the answers you receive from other gardeners, experts, and even scientists are likely to be varied and opinionated.

High levels of chlorine in soils are toxic to plants, but research has shown that chlorine at levels typical in municipal tapwater (often around 5 parts per million) have little or no direct effect on plant growth. Many studies also find minimal negative effect on soil microbes, or conclude that microbes are killed only near the soil surface. Chlorine also tends to bind rapidly to soil particles, which leads many gardeners and growers to ignore chlorine in municipal water as a non-issue for plant health and yield.

On the other hand, many organic gardeners and some experts, myself included, consider chlorinated water to be a potentially significant problem for soil-and-plant health.

Growing a control group of plants in dead soil with chlorine-free water, then using chlorinated municipal water for a separate experimental group of plants also grown in similar dead soil with results unsurprisingly showing little or no difference between the two groups doesn’t prove to me that chlorine won’t harm soil life in a thriving soil ecosystem under the local conditions of a home garden. The details and methods of scientific research limit the usefulness of their results, and unfortunately most research I’ve seen related to chlorinated water and soils often seems incomplete or irrelevant to me when it comes to making decisions about using chlorinated water in gardens.

Even if chlorine only kills sensitive microbes or microbes in the upper portion of soil, the loss of those microbes may be significant to the overall health of the soil ecosystem. By this logic, why worry about running over nails and metal debris in your car? All that will happen is that some of your tires will go flat, and tires are only a small part of the car. With potentially billions of organisms per handful of living soil and countless interdependent biological processes occurring continually, the functioning of healthy soil is orders of magnitude more complex than the mechanical operation of a car. Wiping out the top inch or two of soil microbes with chlorinated water could mean killing trillions of organisms in a home garden. The vast majority of soil microbes are directly or indirectly helpful to plants.

Many variables that might be important to understanding chlorine’s effect on soil life have been ignored or not adequately addressed in the research that I’ve seen. A few of these include possible sensitivity or varying effects of chlorine on numerous strains and species of soil microbes, temperature, soil composition, soil texture, and even frequency of soil saturation with chlorinated water.

It’s worth remembering when facing the challenges of using chlorinated municipal water in organic gardens that chlorination almost entirely eliminated deadly water-borne diseases such as cholera, dysentery, and typhoid from municipal water systems in industrialized areas worldwide during the 20th Century, and that chlorine continues to eliminate harmful pathogens, such as E. coli and giardia, in municipal water drawn from natural areas including lakes and reservoirs.

Another bit of info . We make our own minds up , so follow your own choice . but just in case fill them buckets . :biggrin: :thumbsup:
 
An overlooked variable is the distance between your tap and the water plant. A girl I went to college with determined that water loses about 1ppn per mile from the plant just reacting with pipes and being vented in other people's taps. It was an unpublished senior project and probably not perfect.

The purpose of chlorination is not for you to get chlorinated water from your tap but to put sterile water into the system from the source.

As an anecdote, just remember that every landscaper, golf course, flower garden, and potted plant in your city is watered with cholrinated tap water.

Nonetheless, now that I'm using expensive as fuck Mammoth P, I'm dechlorinating my water lol.
 
How serious a problem is chlorine in municipal water for your soil and garden? Despite many scientific studies related to the topic, the answers you receive from other gardeners, experts, and even scientists are likely to be varied and opinionated.

High levels of chlorine in soils are toxic to plants, but research has shown that chlorine at levels typical in municipal tapwater (often around 5 parts per million) have little or no direct effect on plant growth. Many studies also find minimal negative effect on soil microbes, or conclude that microbes are killed only near the soil surface. Chlorine also tends to bind rapidly to soil particles, which leads many gardeners and growers to ignore chlorine in municipal water as a non-issue for plant health and yield.

On the other hand, many organic gardeners and some experts, myself included, consider chlorinated water to be a potentially significant problem for soil-and-plant health.

Growing a control group of plants in dead soil with chlorine-free water, then using chlorinated municipal water for a separate experimental group of plants also grown in similar dead soil with results unsurprisingly showing little or no difference between the two groups doesn’t prove to me that chlorine won’t harm soil life in a thriving soil ecosystem under the local conditions of a home garden. The details and methods of scientific research limit the usefulness of their results, and unfortunately most research I’ve seen related to chlorinated water and soils often seems incomplete or irrelevant to me when it comes to making decisions about using chlorinated water in gardens.

Even if chlorine only kills sensitive microbes or microbes in the upper portion of soil, the loss of those microbes may be significant to the overall health of the soil ecosystem. By this logic, why worry about running over nails and metal debris in your car? All that will happen is that some of your tires will go flat, and tires are only a small part of the car. With potentially billions of organisms per handful of living soil and countless interdependent biological processes occurring continually, the functioning of healthy soil is orders of magnitude more complex than the mechanical operation of a car. Wiping out the top inch or two of soil microbes with chlorinated water could mean killing trillions of organisms in a home garden. The vast majority of soil microbes are directly or indirectly helpful to plants.

Many variables that might be important to understanding chlorine’s effect on soil life have been ignored or not adequately addressed in the research that I’ve seen. A few of these include possible sensitivity or varying effects of chlorine on numerous strains and species of soil microbes, temperature, soil composition, soil texture, and even frequency of soil saturation with chlorinated water.

It’s worth remembering when facing the challenges of using chlorinated municipal water in organic gardens that chlorination almost entirely eliminated deadly water-borne diseases such as cholera, dysentery, and typhoid from municipal water systems in industrialized areas worldwide during the 20th Century, and that chlorine continues to eliminate harmful pathogens, such as E. coli and giardia, in municipal water drawn from natural areas including lakes and reservoirs.

Another bit of info . We make our own minds up , so follow your own choice . but just in case fill them buckets . :biggrin: :thumbsup:

Hey Henco, did you watch though all the videos ? You seem well versed on the topic, but he addressed some of the counter issues you proposed. I'm not positive what you mean by "dead soil", but his seemed very much alive, you can even see the worms in it lol.

As far as killing the "deadly water borne diseases" it's important to note that they found it only kills bacteria that are suspended in the water and the soils biofilm help neutralize the chlorine with it's buffering capacity. Keep in mind that chlorine used in most tap water is very low concentration.

A big issue you pointed out that I think he missed in his research was frequency. I would have liked to have seen the same test done after multiple applications of tap water.

I'm definitely no authority on the subject, I'm just regurgitating the proposed info, but I do believe he did a good job in the video of researching and relaying the facts he found with his testing. The evidence is enough for me to jump on board and say screw it to leaving buckets laying around for 24 hours.
 
Hey Henco, did you watch though all the videos ? You seem well versed on the topic, but he addressed some of the counter issues you proposed. I'm not positive what you mean by "dead soil", but his seemed very much alive, you can even see the worms in it lol.

As far as killing the "deadly water borne diseases" it's important to note that they found it only kills bacteria that are suspended in the water and the soils biofilm help neutralize the chlorine with it's buffering capacity. Keep in mind that chlorine used in most tap water is very low concentration.

A big issue you pointed out that I think he missed in his research was frequency. I would have liked to have seen the same test done after multiple applications of tap water.

I'm definitely no authority on the subject, I'm just regurgitating the proposed info, but I do believe he did a good job in the video of researching and relaying the facts he found with his testing. The evidence is enough for me to jump on board and say screw it to leaving buckets laying around for 24 hours.

Keep in mind, there could be big difference in drinking water chlorine effects in true hydroponics vs. coco/inert media vs. living soil. Soil, with all of its added minerals likely has much more buffering capacity than the others. -- The small amount of chlorine in the water will presumably be harmlessly bound quickly in soil. The chlorine in drinking water could more affect coco and other 'inert' media than soil. [Yet another complication in trying to select among dechlorination (or not) options].
 
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