When to treat a non-flowering auto as a photo? After 'flipping' then what; <12 or 18-24 hours of light/day?

[Frankthetank]

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The more you keep stressing her, the slower she’ll go. Patience….. it’s an XL strain…XL strains always veg longer to build the structure.

 

[BII]

@Frankthetank: Thank you for noting that the delay in moving to bloom may be genetic (due to breeding, not a random mutation) due to it being an XL strain.

The plant is being "stressed" right now in darkness for a 2nd day of ≥13 hour dark period. After that it's back into the tent running 20-24 hours/day. I presume in the worst case, the plant just keeps growing like a photo plant until I force flip it for real (such as few days of 16 hours darkness/day?). [This photo-like plant reaffirms my lack of interest in growing photos. I like the ≤90 day turnover and manageable size you typically get with autos].

 

[Frankthetank]

@Frankthetank: Thank you for noting that the delay in moving to bloom may be genetic (due to breeding, not a random mutation) due to it being an XL strain.

The plant is being "stressed" right now in darkness for a 2nd day of ≥13 hour dark period. After that it's back into the tent running 20-24 hours/day. I presume in the worst case, the plant just keeps growing like a photo plant until I force flip it for real (such as few days of 16 hours darkness/day?). [This photo-like plant reaffirms my lack of interest in growing photos. I like the ≤90 day turnover and manageable size you typically get with autos].

You’re trying to induce floweing on an autoflower…. Are you under the assumption that’s possible? It’s not. Stop messing with it before you induce a hermie…that, is possible.

By your logic, you should be able to induce flower at any time on any auto just by adjusting the light cycle? Not the case, I assure you.

 

[BII]

You’re trying to induce floweing on an autoflower…. Are you under the assumption that’s possible? It’s not. Stop messing with it before you induce a hermie…that, is possible.

By your logic, you should be able to induce flower at any time on any auto just by adjusting the light cycle? Not the case, I assure you.

I admit ignorance and no real knowledge about photo plants. I have no logic, just following the pack.

Here on AFN it's very common to cite putting late-to-bloom plants into several days of >12 hour darkness to induce blooming. It often seems that this is the general consensus (which doesn't make it right). Is this simply false or not proven, bro science, B.S.? The apparent presumption is that autos switching to bloom can be induced by activating photo-timing genes (nearly all autos have been bred with a photo) and related plant auxins/hormones, with some residual (not fully removed or deactivated) photo gene(s) being activated by the lighting regimen while the auto-timing genes are simply not activating.

 

[Frankthetank]

bro science, B.S.? T

It belongs in the myth category in my opinion. The genes have been breed for the autoflower trait, not the photo period trait.

I’ve grown loads of autoflower plants…. And have literally never had one not auto flower (read: I’ve never had to adjust my lighting schedule). Now, some have gone ridiculously long (zam x Durban I grew vegged for around 70 days, and harvested in the 120’s…), but that’s just the breeding.

I’ve also grown lotsa photos, and never had one auto…..

The real question is, would those plants that you cite as having to lower the photo period, have autoed on their own with patience (meaning, did the grower just adjust lighting at the same time the plant would have kicked into flower)?

 

[BII]

The real question is, would those plants that you cite as having to lower the photo period, have autoed on their own with patience (meaning, did the grower just adjust lighting at the same time the plant would have kicked into flower)?

Yes, I (not really knowledgeable about photos) fully agree. I presume that most slow blooming autos will eventually bloom on their own, and the longer an auto delays going into bloom the more likely it is to soon advance to bloom on its own.

But separate from that, and for me "the real question" is: Does this playing games with lighting for a few days actually work with some, most or nearly all delayed-blooming autos?

 

[Frankthetank]

But separate from that, and for me "the real question" is: Does this playing games with lighting for a few days actually work with some, most or nearly all delayed-blooming autos?

The real question is, are they actually delayed autos, or is the grower impatiently jumping to conclusions?

The simplest explanation, in this case, is it’s not delayed…..it’s a long vegging strain. That makes more sense than they put out an unfinished or problematic strain… FB has a bunch of testers.

 

[BII]

The real question is, are they actually delayed autos, or is the grower impatiently jumping to conclusions?

The simplest explanation, in this case, is it’s not delayed…..it’s a long vegging strain. That makes more sense than they put out an unfinished or problematic strain… FB has a bunch of testers.

Again, agree, these are likely just long-delayed blooming autos. Left on their own they'll eventually bloom.

But separate from that I still want to know: Does the playing games with lighting for a few days actually work with some, most or nearly all of these delayed-blooming autos? For ex., if I had put my stubborn plant in ≥13 hours darkness/day for say 3 days back when it was 50 days old, would it have flipped by now (about 2 weeks later)?

 

[Frankthetank]

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[Frankthetank]

You may very well have the fast flowering version…. So adjust the light schedule. I suppose we’ll all have to pay closer attention to the packaging from now on..