100% Organic Grow.

[A4]

I would like to hear what they say also evol. Like I said, I am not trying to be argumentative and on this keyboard it is hard type sometimes without sounding like an A hole. Humility doesn't really come across when typing like it does when speaking. I am in not one of those growers that hates synthetics because honestly I still have a ton of them sitting around and have used them for years. From what I can see 99% of their products are absolutely top notch and it is obvious the guy knows what he is doing because the ingredients he is using is exactly what most of us TLO growers are using. I just think they are a little misleading on some of their info.

I will say this though, even some of the high brix guys that I have learned from swear by Calcium Nitrate and say you can't get the high brix readings without it. These are guys preaching sustainability, so there is even an argument in the organic world for using it. The purists on the other hand believe exactly opposite. I don't use it and I don't think a natural grower should use or need phosphoric acid to adjust the pH of their soil. That is just my opinion but I am one of the purists that think if I am going to invest the amount of time in creating the soil then I am going to leave it all up to mother nature to handle the rest.

My apologies EoF for crapping up your thread but I think discussions like this is how everyone learns, including myself, and your thread is by far and above one of the top organic threads on AFN and most anyone else as far as I am concerned.

 

[Eyes on Fire]

aww hell arsenic,asbestos ....poisons ..LOL!!100% organic and very naturally made materials right in the mining process for example in various regions and drawing beds.but I too went and looked up a little info. hmmmm,kinda like A4 is saying (as well as the others,THX) at its heart hes a learned individual thats done some marketing research only imho and is capitalizing on that since organics is got a MILLION % going on word of mouth for GOOD quality easy meds for indoors.thats essentially where were at with this.as a slightly worked soil with minimal additions such as lime,perlite maybe some casting n so on...super standard kinda stuff ,and with using a complete pulped feed as a silt since theres no way its going to blend in a water/tea completely to that there is false without fail.Like A4 is saying i aint trying to be nasty er what have ya,Im actually stoned and happy,buuut its how the reader takes it and what mood(s) he/she is/they happen to be at any given point on any fifteenth month of the lunar blue cycle moon on the leap year of the cat LMFAO!!aaannny who YUP STONED LMFAO BUT!!!

but a slightly worked soil as we all know chem or tlo or soup organics knows it has to be living in order to work the nutes.essentially all your doing at best imho is giving is a standard and basic soup styled feed that MIGHT..?might do better than some others Im aware of but to be a custom tea and a partially worked soil would be awfully hard to compare too imo. the theory is sound,and does work..well too!!its just a faaaarrrrr cry (good game btw..Dying light coming soon LOL) from tlo and organic fish making your hydro fishies n the like just cant be reproduced from pure sources wihtout tainting the very contruct of the compounds.thats my take on it brothers n sisters at this juncture and in ALL HONESTY!!I encourage the debate to be 10000% truthful with ya'll.I learn too and work my theories and knowledge into a system and see if it comes out on the other side and few do imo for a truly healthy medical styled grow for purity and quailty as well as east for the user/grower whatever.I doubt TLO will ever be truly matched for its complexities as well as it antiquated and very tried and true methods developed over thousands and thousands of year loooong past our alien beginings as we grunted to say LOOK OUT yer gonna get chomped on dude!!LMFAO!!

 

[Joedirt]

Holding true to the thread (100% organic.)
a very healthy debate with educated points of view.
this is why I love this web sight.

 

[pop22]

Nectar is all about the calcium. Thats is the big selling point. In fact Scott even says about a few of his products that you can replace them with other brands such as the liquid yucca and seaweed. My goal is to get hydroponic yields in an organic soil. I love tlo but it is impossible to achieve the results I want with only tlo.

I think organic can approach or even match hydro. In fact s few months from now, when I have space again in my grow room, I want to test that theory. And I don't believe one bit that I need a magic formula to do it. I may very well be wrong. but I look at my DWC setup and wonder just how much advantage it has over soil, and the only thing I see is the injection of air. The nutes are immaterial. I've seen monsters grown in DWC using ( God forbid...lol ) Miracle Grow! So Here's my thinking. I'm going to grow a single plant in a 10 gallon container of organic soil. I'm going to introduce soil air injection techniques I've seen to simulate DWC conditions. My goal will be to grow a single plant, 1 pound+ harvest. If that can be done, who need hydro? Don't get me wrong, I love DWC/RDWC as a technique. But I've decided my path through the growing world is to seek simplicity, to grow the best crop as simply as I can. Life is already too complicated, Why make something we enjoy so much complicated?

Evol, we seem to have the same goal at heart, maybe we should discuss in private some ideas and plans, maybe we could collaborate on some project! :Sharing One:

 

[medi]

You nailed exactly why I grow TLO. No more worrying about calculating, or adjusting pH, no more disparate feeding strategies. I'd rather play micro biologist than chemist. And in my own limited experience you just can't compare terpene profiles.

 

[NekoSempai]

Well, I walked into an interesting conversation.
Im to uneducated in organics/tlo to give my input, but I enjoyed reading the conversation. Idk if I was able to really digest it all, but I believe I got the jest of it all.

"AFN smoke out"

Livin,learning and growing...and also growing =)
Growing cannabis is awesome. Love that there are all these cool fun techniques to growing, and I love a good debate.


Whats up eyes man?
Keepin busy as always I see heh. Passin through to say hello:Sharing One:

 

[pop22]

Want to see a minimalist organic grow? look at my Indorr Garden 2015 thread and see my Durrty Dragon x Cheese cross. She just broke 40" tall ( the orginal 40" tops were bent over... ) She is growing in recycled organic potting soil. The only amendment was Grow More Organic Soil builder ( I call it TLO in a box... ) and one watering with a cal/mag supplement. You can't get much more basic than that. but look at her.she's perfect, has never had a deficiency. All she gets is RO water. I don't worry about her at all. THIS is how gardening should be. Like a tree in your yard, water it and forget about it!

 

[Eyes on Fire]

yeah there is sooo much time time time issues within our life and imho that Is by design and that fully incorporates the marketing consumer issues with our society today.look at there is always juuuust that 10 minutes (Oh i can do that or this n that) to push something extra or spend a reasonable amount of money...time n time again..for what..?to achieve what can be done for a soild lay out of cash and follow a process that ll knock you into next week with the quality of meds for doing almost next to nothing as a farmer,grower and a patient..?thats IT!!it let you enjoy your life THAT much more and opening you up to a world of EXTRA TIME that you family guys n busy gals understand all tooo well but insist of continuing the cycle.by no fault of anyones..(well not that Im gonna get into here LMFAO corrupt dicks LOL!) its a mindset theyve instilled.but it feed that time time time aspect of your desires and by swapping to a healthier MORE POTENT herb albeit waaay more awesome on the terp profile as medi mentioned.so let yourself have that treat that improves your very life in more aspect that many care to think about since its been misdirected elsewhere.

why not let yourself HAVE that free time and make it a fun wee ritual,spent it with your plants admiring their awesomeness or family or whichever feeds your fancy guys n gals.thats my take on that.i mean daaang.crazy aint it?!!some damn fine points guys!!I love seeing all doing organics and this n that,lurking..seeing doing and educating yourself.DONT need to understand it to use it with a few questions and a simple desire.youll get it.it sure as shit aint frigin magic either cuz its what ppl dont understand that comes across as magic or voodoo or which ever LOL!when its numbers n %'s n this n that n more n more.OUCH!Thanks fellas!!"AFN smoke out"stick a suirt bottle at your watering sourse with cal mag,Big Bloom,your basic essentials as watering and work your soil every cpl months or four depending.a squit in the jug n water n apply.perfect buds!or for you involved guys n gals..?TEAS!!and extractions of said teas.being involved with your plant n health give you a freedom thats unmatched..promise!!:smoke:

Heeey Neko dude!! eh not a lot bro juust having cabin fever,all quiet n shit n cold LOL!REALLY STONED THOUGH!! so thats kick ass! Im KICK ASS!!LMFAO!!
looks like alls been going awesome with you for the most part as far as grows anyways..alls right with you dude?:Sharing One:

 

[evol]

Here is the response..everything is 100% organic aside from medusas magic.

That is interesting, I am not sure where they are coming from about our line. The only product that we would say is not 100% organics because we use Calcium Nitrate in it would be the Medusa’s Magic and the only reason we add any into that blend is because we have to stabilize one of the active ingredients before we can add it into the batch. One of the active ingredients in the Medusa’s Magic is digested chicken livers. We get in fresh chicken livers from foster farms and spend an entire day blending them with table top blenders. Once they are all blended into a slurry , we put them into a heat exchanger to strip off all the amino acids, proteins and enzymes. The finished product is rich in organic acids, and microbial food. The downfall of this concentrate is that it is acidic by nature and can not be stabilized with more organic acids like the rest of the nutrients. And we really don’t want to use a preservative to stabilize it because they destroy the protein profiles we are trying to get into the medium for the microbial population to use. So after years and years of playing with stabilizers, we ended up adding calcium nitrate to the liver concentrate to prevent it from spoiling and exploding.

In the past two years we removed the Potassium phosphate that was once allowable to the OMMRI standard because the product manufacturer we were using went out of business. We have been in the process of re-registering the new label around the country. But sense it is already registered with the current label we keep it on the bottle until we can move to “a single” new label for the entire country. The biggest nightmare we have is the regulations in this country are not universal from state to state. We can be good with 40 states and then have california step in and change everything. So until we can get all states to accept one label we are kind of stuck running the old one to avoid penalties. We also offer a feather protein digest on it own called pegasus potion that is simply digested feather meal that we extract off only the simple nitrogen proteins. Great source of usable nitrogen without the risk of stress, elongation and burning. That would be a good alternative to using the medusas magic.

Other then Medusa, everything else in our line is organic and natural. Natural meaning we use a lot of calcium limestone, humic acids, fulvic acids. So those would not be considered organic materials due to the OMMRI standard of carbon based inputs. They are mineral based. But not Chemical based.

I agree with his statement that mineral based fertilizers are synthetic. I am wondering if he is getting Nectar for the Gods confused with Nectar A and B from GreenStone Nutrients. They are completely synthetic mineral based. Let me know your thoughts. And feel free to just gift the nutrients to a friend if you are not comfortable with my answers. Or hold on to them and if you are ever in the Oregon area, you can tour the facility and see what we do and how we do it. Certainly not interested in having a debate with someone who has no idea of who we are and what we do. We are comfortable making the products we make and go to great lengths to protect our environment and surrounding community by implementing things like our 100,000 square foot rain water collection system that we make our nutrients out of, to taking all of our filtered waste products from our production facility and adding it to a local bio-digester to generate electricity for a neighboring town. Now if we could just figure out the plastic aspect of our products, we would literally have a negative carbon foot print.

 

[sniper]

Hemp plastic would fix the toxic plastic problem :thumbs: