Indoor First Grow 2x4 Tent 600 W HPS

[Mrbubbles87]

Thanks guys I was thinking cal/mag also. Plus the critical jack seems to drink a lot more than the other girls. I'm confused why I'm seeing a cal/mag def though because I've been adding 1tsp per gal of epsom salt and 1tblspn per gal of molasses with every feeding. Do you guys think I should just up this dosage to maybe 2tsp salt/2tblspn molasses for maybe one feeding and then back to normal til flush?

Also, opinions on 7 day vs 14 day and molasses vs straight water for the flush.

 

[Grim Reefer]

Okay from what im noticing now is autos are extremely heavy on cal/mg and so far not much people have been able to prevent it from happening, even the pros still get signs of cal/mg dif on their leaves. Its being discussed at the moment il edit in the link after i post this to you.

But what i have been doing is upping the dosage and i think i might up it even more. So yours is working out at about 3ml to 1 litre of your molasses and epsom. At the moment im at 5ml per litre for both so that is just under double the dosage of what your giving them. So i would go a head and up the dosage to double and maybe more man, il let you know how i get on by upping the dosage myself.
Ive read not to use molasses when flushing, it can leave the buds tasting a bit off so i would just flush with normal water. Hope that helps man.

Edit: https://www.autoflower.org/f138/led-calmag-discussion-24451-6.html#post465059

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Thanks for the great info Brian! Guess I figured id be ok because I was adding it to every feeding. Ill take your advice and double my dosage on weds when they get fed agin.

I agree on the molasses for flush. I mean I'm sure molasses tastes good when you eat it but not when you smoke it lol

Any reason you flush 7 days vs 14 days? I've never really researched it much because everyone generally says 2 weeks but if I can go less I'd be happy. I figured my nutes are harder to flush seems how I haven't flushed weekly or used the flush but I really have no idea lol.

 

[Grim Reefer]

Just to say to you to be carefull, Use the epsom at every second feeding now you dont want to over dose her with the mag by using it every feed, also your sure to get a salt build up in the bottom of your pots, this is really bad. so it easier to let it wash out by not using on every feed just use it on every other feed. Use the molasses at every feed its about the time now for you when they really start going heavier on the calcium. It seems to be mg more so at the start and then in late flower they really hit on both but more so the clacium from my experience so far.
Hope that makes sense

Edit: Shit sorry man forgot to answer your question on the flushing, well to be honest i have read some journals where people dont flush at all and they havent noticed any taste difference, but i still think that it cant be good for you, smoking whatever the plant has been taking up especailly if they are chem nutes.
So in my opinion i dont need to flush for two weeks, i figure one week will be enough to get out most of what the plant has taken up, so it will taste fine and will be safe. Usually the second week of flush is when the plant has gotten rid of all its nutes and now is using whatever is stored in the leaves.
Besides a second note, if i was doing this on bigger and a strain that would take longer i would flush for longer because she would be a lot bigger and take alot more time to get all of the nutes flushed out.
With the BB and PL they are medium strains so they are not very big in soil grows so to me they just dont need as much time for a flush.
I hope you get what im on about this is just my personal opinion doesnt mean im correct.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Just to say to you to be carefull, Use the epsom at every second feeding now you dont want to over dose her with the mag by using it every feed, also your sure to get a salt build up in the bottom of your pots, this is really bad. so it easier to let it wash out by not using on every feed just use it on every other feed. Use the molasses at every feed its about the time now for you when they really start going heavier on the calcium. It seems to be mg more so at the start and then in late flower they really hit on both but more so the clacium from my experience so far.
Hope that makes sense

Edit: Shit sorry man forgot to answer your question on the flushing, well to be honest i have read some journals where people dont flush at all and they havent noticed any taste difference, but i still think that it cant be good for you, smoking whatever the plant has been taking up especailly if they are chem nutes.
So in my opinion i dont need to flush for two weeks, i figure one week will be enough to get out most of what the plant has taken up, so it will taste fine and will be safe. Usually the second week of flush is when the plant has gotten rid of all its nutes and now is using whatever is stored in the leaves.
Besides a second note, if i was doing this on bigger and a strain that would take longer i would flush for longer because she would be a lot bigger and take alot more time to get all of the nutes flushed out.
With the BB and PL they are medium strains so they are not very big in soil grows so to me they just dont need as much time for a flush.
I hope you get what im on about this is just my personal opinion doesnt mean im correct.

So your saying I could still have a mag def because even tho I've fed epsom salt with each feeding the salt is just building at the bottom?

I just fed them Sunday night. Should I give them a double dose of epsom salt/molasses and then start every other feed?

Your flush explanation makes perfect sense. Why should I flush a 2ft tall plant the same amount of time as a 5ft plant? Duh! Lol Thats great news cuz the sooner the better. This local grass is killing me.

Thanks again for all the great info Brian! You've prolly helped me more than any other person on two different journals.


Here's a few more pics. Took a side by side with my berry Ryder so it's easier to see the color difference. Just want to make sure it's cal/mag def.

Edit: also what about foliar feeding? Don't want to up my humidity but maybe that would easier then trying to change my feed schedule.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Harvest Question

Im getting really confused on when I should harvest my plants. Some of them clearly need several more weeks but one of my berry Ryder's and possibly my critical jack seem to be ready for a flush. Thinking of a 7 day flush seems how these are so small.

I've been researching all day and the more I read the more I get confused. Mainly ive been looking at videos of berry Ryder harvests on YouTube and mine looks similar if not further than some of the ones I've seen harvested. Also, I'm looking more for an up high vs down high. I do have 6 plants total so I'm wondering if I can try harvesting one for now and see how I like it.

My main concern is none of the leaves on my berry Ryder are turning yellow but she's at day 60 today and getting quite a few red hairs. Unfortunately I can't check my trichs very closely but I can say she's covered. My pics just don't do her justice. Here's a few pics of the berry Ryder. My critical jack is supposed to take 70 days and the leaves are yellowing. Thinking this may be a cal/mag def but not sure. Let me know what you guys think.

 

[Grim Reefer]

So your saying I could still have a mag def because even tho I've fed epsom salt with each feeding the salt is just building at the bottom?

I just fed them Sunday night. Should I give them a double dose of epsom salt/molasses and then start every other feed?

Your flush explanation makes perfect sense. Why should I flush a 2ft tall plant the same amount of time as a 5ft plant? Duh! Lol Thats great news cuz the sooner the better. This local grass is killing me.

Thanks again for all the great info Brian! You've prolly helped me more than any other person on two different journals.


Here's a few more pics. Took a side by side with my berry Ryder so it's easier to see the color difference. Just want to make sure it's cal/mag def.

Edit: also what about foliar feeding? Don't want to up my humidity but maybe that would easier then trying to change my feed schedule.

No im saying that if you continue to feed epsom salts at every feed you have a very high chance of salt build up which will stunt the plant and damage the yeild.
As for cal/mg yes you still seem to have it a little in your current pictures it looks more like mg,i only see light green colour no brown spots. I know you have been giving them molasses and epsom at every feed but now they are saying they need more.
As for your leaves not yellowing yet its because they will only yellow once you start flushing and there is no nutes left in the soil, this is when they start to use what is stored in the leaves and so the leaves change in colour.

As for harvesting i would leave them go the recommend time so 70-80 days as harvesting early will give less time for the buds to fatten up, because they still are man.
But you can harvest after day 60 but just remember those buds will shrink i think a bud is made up of 2/3rds water so it will srink alot. I could be wrong though.
Yeah no problem man thats what we are here for on AFN its been great watching your grow man.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

No im saying that if you continue to feed epsom salts at every feed you have a very high chance of salt build up which will stunt the plant and damage the yeild.
As for cal/mg yes you still seem to have it a little in your current pictures it looks more like mg,i only see light green colour no brown spots. I know you have been giving them molasses and epsom at every feed but now they are saying they need more.
As for your leaves not yellowing yet its because they will only yellow once you start flushing and there is no nutes left in the soil, this is when they start to use what is stored in the leaves and so the leaves change in colour.

As for harvesting i would leave them go the recommend time so 70-80 days as harvesting early will give less time for the buds to fatten up, because they still are man.
But you can harvest after day 60 but just remember those buds will shrink i think a bud is made up of 2/3rds water so it will srink alot. I could be wrong though.
Yeah no problem man thats what we are here for on AFN its been great watching your grow man.

As always you've answered all my questions

My recommended harvest times vary by strain. My berry ryders are supposed to be done by day 60. The rest are 70-75 day strains. I know for sure I have some that will take even up to 90. My Mazar has a long ways to go set. So I'm just trying to go by what the plant tells me.

I think your write about the magnesium def. I'm also noticing the tips are curling up on my berry Ryder's and my blue cheese has similar leaves to the jack. Whereas my largest berry Ryder and Mazar which are a few weeks behind the others due to their size aren't showing a cal/mag def yet but I imagine they will in a few more weeks at my current dosage so I'm going to double my dosage on my next feed and then go every other.

I have decided to wait at least another week to start flushing my furthest plants. So that means my oldest BR will be harvested around day 75. Ill then it'll be a plant a week for the next 3 weeks lol.

Thanks again for all the help!

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Here's an issue I've been having with my photo seedlings. I'm sure they're stunted now. They have to be at least a month old. I'm not sure what the problem is. I'm thinking my temp is getting too low because sometimes it can drop to 68. Usually it's right at 80 though. I'm running them 24 under 2 t12's. The older leaves are all yellowing. I'm wondering if this is a nute def or something else. Here's a few pics..

 

[Grim Reefer]

Whats your ph? Have you been giving them nutes?