Indoor First time grow - Pakistan Ryder and DinaFem Fruit Auto

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Hi everyone. First of all, thanks for all the info and the friendly vibe here. I've done a lot of reading on all the 'big' sites, but this one just seems like a better place to call home. I'm a first time grower, not counting some largely unsuccessful outdoor bagseed experiments years ago. I don't need big yields, and for this grow I'm mainly looking to keep the cost down and learn some things.

My setup is a Sterilite storage cabinet roughly 3'x2'x20" HxWxD. I originally lined the interior with mylar space blankets, but it wasn't very smooth & I was concerned about heat build up. I tore it out and painted the interior flat white. But this thing really glows when you light it, so I had to partially paint the outside also to block the light. This area is private so stealth is not a huge factor, but I didn't go with a tent because I needed something that could be easily moved in the event that I did need to give someone access to the area.

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Inside I've got an intake and output fan, both 75CFM PC fans. Each has a homemade light trap on the outside. For the lighting, I built a PVC light fixture that will hold 4 CFL bulbs in the center with two additional lights on the side. There is a steel reflector painted flat white, and the whole setup moves up and down on ratcheting hangers. Fully raised, I've got a little over 2' from the dirt to the lights. I could hang them directly from the ceiling and gain close to 6 more inches.

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I've gone with CFLs for affordability, simplicity, and lower temps. I have this setup in an unfinished basement area that is not climate controlled, so heat is a concern this time of year. So far the ambient temp has stayed below 80 even on the hottest days, so I'm hopeful that I'll be OK. I plan to use an 20x4 cycle all the way through and I'll have the off time during the hottest part of the day. I have made no plans for odor control as of yet.

For a growing medium, I've gone with a compo mix similar to the one detailed by FullDuplex in his awesome thread: FD's Guide to Growing Hefty Autos in Small Places.. For nutes I'm going to try to save a few bucks and go with the Better-Gro line from Lowes. No doubt I'll have some questions about that soon enough.

I germed my fem auto LR2 and Pakryder seeds a couple of days ago, and both cracked open nicely. Today when I checked them the LR2 had grown a long tail that was starting to corkscrew, while the PR was showing about a quarter inch of growth. I placed them about 3/4" deep in damp soil, so I guess I'm off and running! :D Now for some questions:

1. I have a total of 4 2700K 42W CFLs and 4 6500K 42W CFLs. For veg I'll be using all the 6500s, but should I also put two of the 2700s in the other outlets? More watts is better, and I think I've read that mixing the spectrum is a good thing.

2. Should I be running lights before the plant breaks the surface?

3. Once the seedling does break through, how close should I move the lights, and should I place a clear container over it like some photos I've seen?

Thanks in advance for any comments! I'll keep you posted as things progress. :thumbs:
 
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1. I have a total of 4 2700K 42W CFLs and 4 6500K 42W CFLs. For veg I'll be using all the 6500s, but should I also put two of the 2700s in the other outlets? More watts is better, and I think I've read that mixing the spectrum is a good thing.
For now, you don't need much light, so just leave the veg lights up

2. Should I be running lights before the plant breaks the surface?

Really doesn't matter, it will help heat the seeds which is a necessary factor in germination

3. Once the seedling does break through, how close should I move the lights, and should I place a clear container over it like some photos I've seen?

With CFLS you want them as close as possible, so that you dont get to much stretching, Id keep the cfls within 2-4 inches... when they get bigger you want them literally 1 inch away. Sure through a container over, spray the inside with your pHed water, high humidity is great for young seedlings. This would also let you judge the lights closeness for ur self. Id put them 1 inch from the container.
 
Thanks a lot, mattman. I went ahead and fired up the lights tonight since the LR2 has already broken through after 24 hours in the soil. I cut a water bottle in half and placed it over the top of the seedling. Hopefully the other plant will come along shortly.


1. I have a total of 4 2700K 42W CFLs and 4 6500K 42W CFLs. For veg I'll be using all the 6500s, but should I also put two of the 2700s in the other outlets? More watts is better, and I think I've read that mixing the spectrum is a good thing.
For now, you don't need much light, so just leave the veg lights up

2. Should I be running lights before the plant breaks the surface?

Really doesn't matter, it will help heat the seeds which is a necessary factor in germination

3. Once the seedling does break through, how close should I move the lights, and should I place a clear container over it like some photos I've seen?

With CFLS you want them as close as possible, so that you dont get to much stretching, Id keep the cfls within 2-4 inches... when they get bigger you want them literally 1 inch away. Sure through a container over, spray the inside with your pHed water, high humidity is great for young seedlings. This would also let you judge the lights closeness for ur self. Id put them 1 inch from the container.
 
Aloha, Welcome to the AFN I will be popping in once in awhile to check on your grow and see how things go I'm always looking for good strains I'm especially interested in pakryder goodluck and happy growing:howdy:
 
Aloha, Welcome to the AFN I will be popping in once in awhile to check on your grow and see how things go I'm always looking for good strains I'm especially interested in pakryder goodluck and happy growing:howdy:

Thanks! I'm very interested in the Pakryder also. There aren't a lot of grow or smoke reports on that strain yet. I've read about some issues with WoW Afghan and Pak Ryder not autoflowering and generally taking longer to get to harvest, so I have my fingers crossed. Hopefully the finished product will be worth it. :smokeit:
 
Welcome to AFN, Andy! You probably picked the best option available for a new grower by coming here. You'll get lot's of support and encouragement. :peace:
 
Just bough PakRyder....

want to know how they come along in your set up before I move foreword...
 
want to know how they come along in your set up before I move foreword...

Sorry for the lack up updates here, but I had to go out of town unexpectedly so the initial grow came to an unfortunate end. I had some problems sprouting the seeds in the soil I was using (too hot) so I've just restarted this week. The first go round germing in a paper towel, the LR2 grew a tap root much faster and larger than the PakRyder. But this time it's been the opposite. The PR seed broke open and had a 3/4" tap root in less than two days, while the LR2 root was about half the size. Both of them were planted in FF Light Warrior about 24 hours ago, and the PR has already sprouted and is standing 1/2" tall. Hopefully that's a sign that she's a strong one. :smoke: More info when there's something to report...
 
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