Grow your own in the outdoor heat,maybe Australia!!

[Weed Warrior]

was thinking that I could start the photos outdoors or put them out at 2-3 weeks of 16/8 without much effect. Wouldn’t a photo seed started outdoors sense the increasing length of day and remain in veg growth?

To a certain point yes. Some of the earlier daylight flowering plants though could flip into preflower if there is not enough sufficient total daylight regardless of the increasing regime. Out of your strain choices(the ones i have grown) i bet the green poison would preflower too early for sure, maybe even the durban.(the one i did flipped into flower around 14.5 hours iirc). Not sure on the rest of the strains you have. I would be looking closely at breeders quoted outdoor finish times(which relates to short daylight flowering and long flowering cycles) and choosing strains that will finish in late november and december.

I would certainly be trying to find plants that flower with really low daylight hours to maximize the veg period. Time to get tropical!! Basically all of the strains i cannot grow in my northern climate!! (i am really kind of envious to be honest!! )

 

[the green bandit]

Photo talk don't worry me none mate, we will all learn something from it. I'll be really honest.....I've never really got into photos cause I'm not smart enough to figure out lighting cycles and changes. If it's about weed, heat or how to land more fish than the chat stays lol. You're absolutely right about September I'm pretty sure it's near the end of it when we start to see 12hrs of light again and frost risk would be minimal for most folks...I'm spoiled where I live and very rarely see a light frost. So can grow year round outdoors .

I didn’t realize you are only growing autos. My stupid arse must have missed that part lol! Oops! I’m going to be running autos as well but I’m also wanting to see what I can do with long growing photos as a final reward to the long, long, LONG summer here. Lol! Your September equates to our March, I believe? My guess is your September is when the last chance of frosts end and lighting begins to exceed 12 hours with a daily INCREASE in length of daylight hours?

I was thinking that I could start the photos outdoors or put them out at 2-3 weeks of 16/8 without much effect. Wouldn’t a photo seed started outdoors sense the increasing length of day and remain in veg growth? Seems like nature would take care of that as it would occur in nature. Now, I could see a plant started indoors under excessive light then being being put outside having some confusion; but I would have thought they would acclimate and continue veg once they realized that the days were increasing in length?

This is an interesting topic that I thought about but have obviously not thought ENOUGH about! I really appreciate the insight. I apologize for bringing up a photo-related topic in your Auto thread. I thought it was a general hot climate growing thread. I can post this topic in a separate thread if you prefer - so as not to clutter your very useful and important thread? Just say the word, mate. <— I love when I get to use that word.



Sounds like identical lighting to us. Our longest day is 13 hours and 59 minutes. Yes, that Waira post is very useful! Thanks for pasting it!



Yikes, I didn’t put much thought along those lines into the beans I bought. Ugh! Lol! I may have purchased more photo beans than I planned to grow indoors in 8 years. Haha! Figures. :/ I was planning to go on a Skittlez kick. Here’s what I WAS planning to try:

DP Lemon Zkittle
Barney’s Farm Gorilla Zkittlez
DP Durban Poison (still a good idea)
Sweet Gorilla Girl (still maybe a good choice)
Sweet Green Poison
Ministry of Cannabis Big Bud XXL
Seedsman Jack Herer (Still a good choice)

 

[DTOM420]

To a certain point yes. Some of the earlier daylight flowering plants though could flip into preflower if there is not enough sufficient total daylight regardless of the increasing regime. Out of your strain choices(the ones i have grown) i bet the green poison would preflower too early for sure, maybe even the durban.(the one i did flipped into flower around 14.5 hours iirc). Not sure on the rest of the strains you have. I would be looking closely at breeders quoted outdoor finish times(which relates to short daylight flowering and long flowering cycles) and choosing strains that will finish in late november and december.

I would certainly be trying to find plants that flower with really low daylight hours to maximize the veg period. Time to get tropical!! Basically all of the strains i cannot grow in my northern climate!! (i am really kind of envious to be honest!! )

Dang, I can’t even remember seeing a strain that said it had a December finish; and very limited choice on November harvest. How about throwing out a few of those dream strains of yours and I’ll look at growing them? You can live vicariously through me. Lol!

Actually, I just looked at the length of day in both Kandahar and Kathmandu and They have nearly the same length of day as I have. Kandahar has 10 minutes more daylight than I do bu were only talking about a couple weeks of those few minutes. My point is....these are the origins of Indica. So, why wouldn’t I be able to grow them just as well, from a natural light perspective? Curious about this.

 

[DTOM420]

Photo talk don't worry me none mate, we will all learn something from it. I'll be really honest.....I've never really got into photos cause I'm not smart enough to figure out lighting cycles and changes. If it's about weed, heat or how to land more fish than the chat stays lol. You're absolutely right about September I'm pretty sure it's near the end of it when we start to see 12hrs of light again and frost risk would be minimal for most folks...I'm spoiled where I live and very rarely see a light frost. So can grow year round outdoors .

Thanks for being so gracious, brother! So, have you been able to get some dense, hard buds with your autos outside in the extreme heat? The few I tried las summer that flowered when it was super hot produced decent sized bugs but they never really got hard; and after drying they were really airy. The ones that finished when temps dropped below 35° and electric silky below 31° were MUCH better! Could just as easily been my lack of knowledge that was the culprit, though. Just figured I’d ask. I always heard....high temps=larfy flower

 

[the green bandit]

Bud density has certainly suffered a little bit more when it's very hot but I've been growing a lot of sativa dom strains this year as well to try and prevent any molding issues! What are your humidity levels like during summer? I run the more indica dominant strains through winter, when humidity levels drop to around 20-30%. I have a few pics I will put in, I can't remember which strains they are even from now but a fairly accurate representation of what bud formation has looked like this season so far....certainly a little more airy than I would have liked. I have 1 stunted indica dominant girl in now I will put some pics of her buds up when done, they appear a lot more dense and filled in. @DTOM420

 

[the green bandit]

@Weed Warrior may have a better idea than me but I think nutrition plays just a big of a role in bud formation as climate. I like to drop my N levels as much as I can starting as early as possible. This year I'm going to try a few different nutes and try and find the one that produces the best buds for lowest cost I can get! I'm also starting to play with some additional things such as guano with an NPK of 0.8.0. I may have a better grasp on how this all works by year's end I hope...I'm really looking for the perfect strain and perfect nutes that work best for me this year....it's probably like trying to find a unicorn though

Thanks for being so gracious, brother! So, have you been able to get some dense, hard buds with your autos outside in the extreme heat? The few I tried las summer that flowered when it was super hot produced decent sized bugs but they never really got hard; and after drying they were really airy. The ones that finished when temps dropped below 35° and electric silky below 31° were MUCH better! Could just as easily been my lack of knowledge that was the culprit, though. Just figured I’d ask. I always heard....high temps=larfy flower

 

[DTOM420]

@Weed Warrior may have a better idea than me but I think nutrition plays just a big of a role in bud formation as climate. I like to drop my N levels as much as I can starting as early as possible. This year I'm going to try a few different nutes and try and find the one that produces the best buds for lowest cost I can get! I'm also starting to play with some additional things such as guano with an NPK of 0.8.0. I may have a better grasp on how this all works by year's end I hope...I'm really looking for the perfect strain and perfect nutes that work best for me this year....it's probably like trying to find a unicorn though

I can certainly believe that nutrition is the biggest driver or bud quality. No doubt. It’s just that I CAN control nutrition but with our types of climates we have a partially stacked deck before we even start. Lol. I was looking for a way around it. I figured that, IF I could find a strain(s) that wouldn’t start flowing until we get past the worst of the heat and would finish well into our fall I could enjoy some significantly denser nuggz. Our summers are typically hot and dry. But in recent years the humidity has been creeping up. On occasion we may hit 65% for a day or two; but usually 55-58% is a humid day and average is around 42-45%. We fairly get any rain between late June and the 3rd week of September. Then ww’ll Have an occasional downpour here and there. We’ve been mostly drought scenarios for the past 15 years. Our normal average annual rainfall is around 22.5”. With most of that in the spring. This past year we were just back into drought when it started raining like Oct 1 and didn’t stop for 45 days straight! In total we got over 50” in that period! Nothing like it in history here and it wreaked havoc on my gardens during harvest. It’s a land of extremes heee but that was a bit much. Hope I never see that again. I finished under makeshift tarp tunnels I put up. Not bad considering but everything had to get washed for botrytis that hit a couple plants despite all my efforts.

 

[Weed Warrior]

Dang, I can’t even remember seeing a strain that said it had a December finish; and very limited choice on November harvest. How about throwing out a few of those dream strains of yours and I’ll look at growing them? You can live vicariously through me. Lol!

https://www.dutch-passion.com/en/cannabis-seeds/product/desfran-feminized-cannabis-seeds/
Have a ponder in mandala seeds as i have heard them recommended many times for far south growers https://www.mandalaseeds.com/Guides/Marijuana-Outdoor

Actually, I just looked at the length of day in both Kandahar and Kathmandu and They have nearly the same length of day as I have. Kandahar has 10 minutes more daylight than I do bu were only talking about a couple weeks of those few minutes. My point is....these are the origins of Indica. So, why wouldn’t I be able to grow them just as well, from a natural light lersoective? Curious about this.

For sure...lots of pure indicas are grown in latitudes similar or the same as yours...but the thing is they are generally small plants! Not the beasts you are seeking

 

[Weed Warrior]

@Weed Warrior may have a better idea than me but I think nutrition plays just a big of a role in bud formation as climate.

I do believe that absolutely, but sometimes a strains just doesn't cope well with environmental conditions and doesnt perform even when in great health.

 

[the green bandit]

With the low humidity high heat some high sativa dom strains really seem to suffer here for me . I would nearly take a gamble on some indica dominant strains with those humidity levels. It's hard to find the ideal strain for our conditions man! This year I'm going to try and grow 20 different strains to get a better idea of what performs best here. I think it's a lot of trial and error to find what's best for us! What strains did you run last season? What 1 performed best for you? I would recommend S.O.D.K(mephisto) a real star here this year, buds were a little more airy than I would have liked. But the last few weeks she was in bloom temps were pushing 45c with a terrible wind. Fantasmo Express handled the weather the worst and fugue state performance was mediocre but acceptable. As I said before I have a little indica dominant plant that's handling the conditions best of all so far and buds feel firm!
An indica dominant strain may give you the density in your buds your after but I've also had problems with foxtailing in the heat with them. It's going to be hard to find the strain that can produce nice looking buds big plants and tolerant our conditions......like I said man were chasing unicorns :smoking:

I can certainly believe that nutrition is the biggest driver or bud quality. No doubt. It’s just that I CAN control nutrition but with our types of climates we have a partially stacked deck before we even start. Lol. I was looking for a way around it. I figured that, IF I could find a strain(s) that wouldn’t start flowing until we get past the worst of the heat and would finish well into our fall I could enjoy some significantly denser nuggz. Our summers are typically hot and dry. But in recent years the humidity has been creeping up. On occasion we may hit 65% for a day or two; but usually 55-58% is a humid day and average is around 42-45%. We fairly get any rain between late June and the 3rd week of September. Then ww’ll Have an occasional downpour here and there. We’ve been mostly drought scenarios for the past 15 years. Our normal average annual rainfall is around 22.5”. With most of that in the spring. This past year we were just back into drought when it started raining like Oct 1 and didn’t stop for 45 days straight! In total we got over 50” in that period! Nothing like it in history here and it wreaked havoc on my gardens during harvest. It’s a land of extremes heee but that was a bit much. Hope I never see that again. I finished under makeshift tarp tunnels I put up. Not bad considering but everything had to get washed for botrytis that hit a couple plants despite all my efforts.