Lighting is there a substitute for soft/warm(red) cfl bulbs for the flowering stage?

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hey guys,

so i live on an island that does not sell soft/warm(red) cfl's (seriously cant find them anywhere).
and as i learned here, having 2 separate lighting systems for veg and flowering is ideal(if not essential).... so what i would like to know is whether there is - for my flowering stage - a substitute (when i get there of course) in led's or cfl's (or anything) for the said flowering period.

and just to elaborate a bit.......... where i live currently is a 3rd world paradise (hell hole-depending on your respective outlook) and getting the necessary supplies listed on autoflower.net is near impossible, having said that im making due.

so, ya, if anyone can help with this issue that would be stunning.

on a side note ill be making my introduction hopefully in the next 2 weeks.

island vibes to all....

"as the path gets more intricate and subtle being swept along is no longer enough" (waking life)
 
You can use cool white or 6500k cfl to flower and they will work but maybe not quie as good as warm or red bulbs.Check marshydro.com for LED units that work great.
 
Many companies will send goods world wide, is it possible for you to do this? If so you could just send off for some warm white cfl's

Maybe if possible look to getting an LED, LED last a lot longer than Cfl and have become quite reasonable in price, you can get some good prices ordering direct from china.

A great number of LED's also work on both 110V & 220/240v I mention this as I don't know which system is used on your island.
 
Yo @multibreed you still active?
your situation sounds interesting, hows everything going?

Last post multibreed made was over a year ago and they only ever made 3 posts.

Don't think there is any updates coming.

If I were to reply to this today, to this question I would say go with a 3500K DIY cob build, cheap, parts can be posted worldwide and they last a longtime before they need replacing.

Check "Growmau5" & "greengenes" channels on youtube and you'll see what I mean (Got to pay my respect to Dazed who pointed me to theses channels)

Check them out and tell me those aren't some fine looking buds (Sherbert looks really nice) and they are pulling in 1.5 gpw and no pink glow :)

I have ordered a 50W 3500K Cree grow light kit (for a micro cab pc case), but should be fairly easy to a tutorial to make one and scale it up to fit any size grow.

I needed mine super fast so just went for a kit, it will be easy enough to reverse engineer and if I'll post a tutorial here at some point when I know a bit more.

cheers Arty
 
cheers @arty zan, i was just curious.. kinda wanted to know where he was talking about.. haha
i think this diy cob might be a good idea especially if its cheap! thanks for the recommendation.
 
cheers @arty zan, i was just curious.. kinda wanted to know where he was talking about.. haha
i think this diy cob might be a good idea especially if its cheap! thanks for the recommendation.
No worries organic, those you tube channel shave so great info and I got to thank Dazed who pointed out to me.

I've been chatting to another guy who's already made one with good results.

Basically a small cob grow light (50W-100W cob @3500K) can be made with a cpu heatsink, a fan & an LED driver.

I needed one quick so i just ordered a kit, which is a more expensive way of making one but still cheaper than buying ready made.

Check out this video, which explains how it all works. -

This guy has had some great results and people are pulling around 1.5g per Watt from these cobs.

cheers Arty
 
No worries organic, those you tube channel shave so great info and I got to thank Dazed who pointed out to me.

I've been chatting to another guy who's already made one with good results.

Basically a small cob grow light (50W-100W cob @3500K) can be made with a cpu heatsink, a fan & an LED driver.

I needed one quick so i just ordered a kit, which is a more expensive way of making one but still cheaper than buying ready made.

Check out this video, which explains how it all works. -

This guy has had some great results and people are pulling around 1.5g per Watt from these cobs.

cheers Arty

Good stuff mate thanks for some great food for thought , 1.5g:1w sounds great, i'll definately be having a look at these vids when im free,
thanks again, stay in touch
Peace
 
cheers @arty zan, i was just curious.. kinda wanted to know where he was talking about.. haha
i think this diy cob might be a good idea especially if its cheap! thanks for the recommendation.

Basically the guy,was living somewhere where they didn't sell Compact Fluorescent Lights (CFL's) aka energy saving bulbs.

He couldn't get red or blue CFL's where he lived.

The colour of the light is express as a number value in the Kelvin scale.

CFL's use the Kelvin scale to let us know how warm or how cool the light is that is being given out.

Basic rule of thumb is, if a lights colour is on the blue side of the spectrum it is used for veg period and if it is on the red side of the spectrum it is used for flowering.


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A mixture of warm and cool bulbs evens out the spectrum and can be adjusted to suit a persons growing needs - more blue veg, more red bloom.


LED's are different, in that they can acurately target certain nanometer(nm) ranges of the light spectrum.

A mixture of these targeted LED's are used to make a full spectrum array, expressing certain colours to a greater or lesser degree than others. For instance having more red than blue on in the lighting unit.

The range of light used by plants in photosynthesis is between 350nm to 800nm.

A LED unit/light, containing an assortment of targeted coloured LED's in the 350nm - 800nm range at the correct ratio, can provide the plants lighting needs.

Many LED lights uses 3W & 5W single LED's to make up a full led light.
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Other LED lights use Chips Called cobs.
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Cob stands for Chip On board but when they first came on the market they we refered to as Intergrated LED Arrays but that was a bit of a mouth full.

Some cob chips are made up of an matrix array of tiny spectrum targeted (nm) leds in a variety of colours, which can include blue, red, deep red, far red & IR= infrared and also sometimes green.

Cob's may also incorporate warm white and cool white chips, to even out the spectrum, in addition to the spectrum specific(nm) targeted LED chips .

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This (above) is a full spectrum targeted cob which been specifically designed for horticulture. This type of cob will give the you that pinky LED glow.

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This is a 3500K warm white cob which has more red and yellow light emitted but also emits other parts of the spectrum but to less of an extent.

There are also Cobs which give out a white light (as above).

The white colour is express as kelvin measurement.

A 3500K cob is refered to as warm white and a 7000K cob is refered to as cool white.

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Other types of light also have different spectral qualities in different parts of the spectrum.

HPS give out a red/pinky orange light and MH is more blueish in colour, the light emitted by them also covers other parts of the spectrum.

These are typical measurements for the main types of HID's used by growers Metal Halide is more blue (cool light) and the High Pressure Sodium is more Red/Pinky Orange (warm light)

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The white line shows the part of the spectrum and the intensity of that light in each given part of the spectrum used by the plant in photosynthesis.

photosynthetically active radiation, often abbreviated PAR, designates the spectral range (wave band) of solar radiation from 400 to 700 nanometers that photosynthetic organisms are able to use in the process of photosynthesis.


So back to the story.

The guy wanted know what to use in veg mode and flower mode but seeing as he wasn't able to pop down the shops and grab what he needed, he wanted to know what alternative light sources he could use.

Problem with using CFL's is the can be broken and also lose efficiency fairly quickly in comparison to LED and so would need to be be replaced fairly frequently & with no shop on his islands selling CFL's this wasn't an option.

My advice to him was to Buy buy an LED/LED kit, the LED unit will operate for many thousands of hours before it is time for a new one and a DIY/KIT is a cost effective option.

An LED light/kit can be easily shipped to most places in the world of course there are always exceptions.

I should also add I have been an LED nut for many years and have watched the progression from useless crap to amazing and as I still keep watching, my mouth is forever dropping a little more as each year goes by.I may be a little biased lol.

I should also point out I've grown with CFL's too and had a great time and I have also grown with hps, with great results but I just love my LED's.

Apologies if I have gone over stuff you already know but i wanted to be clear and cover all bases rather than assume anything.

You never know someone may not know some of the above and find it useful.

I hope I haven't been overly verbose.

Cheers Arty
 

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No worries at all mate, i did learn a thing or two. I am still new to the lighting game but i feel that for someone under 25 i have a good base of knowledge so far and i appreciate the effort in collating that information into a dead thread for another afn'er!

i am however very interested in the prospects of a cheap diy led. Im gonna have a look now but let me know what sites or products you recommend, might save me a couple of hours haha.

thanks mate.
 
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