Moon phases outdoors does it actually make a difference ?

[mohawk warrior]

From the knowledge that been handed down to me from elders, all medicines should be harvested on the correct moon for maximum potency.... I believe same for planting/transplanting. They say darkness is key for root development so in theory it should be optimum environment at night.
I also find just before the morning dew begins to make its trip from the stars to the grass your plants aromatics are killer...
But with the weird things happening one can only assume a big change is coming. The earths magnetic poles are shifting, polar ice caps are melting.... Couple big earthquakes to split the fault lines and look out... Call me crazy but when camels start dropping from snow in the desert, I think Mother Earth is saying something.

 

[Non Locality]

Growing cannabis, just starting out. Answering questions like this, not just starting out.

In short plants have benzine ring like channels which are the skeletal system of their cells. These channels isolate, insulate from water, as well as direct electron flow. This is all at the plank scale. Fields such as gravitational, electromagnetic, even ferro magnetic and frequencies from harmonic vibrations are interpreted by the plant and people. So we are connected to our phase space. Observing moon phases for planting? I wouldn't chose that over good soil, light, and nutrition.

Decent avenue for further investigation
Physicists in the UK claim to have shown unambiguously that the high efficiency of photosynthesis is driven at least partly by a purely quantum-mechanical phenomenon. Their work could lead to discoveries of other quantum processes in biology, or help in the development of new and better technologies for harvesting solar energy.

Arguably the most important chemical reaction on Earth, photosynthesis allows a plant to harness sunlight by converting carbon dioxide and water into energy-rich carbohydrates. For the most part, this takes place in chlorophyll molecules, which are arranged such that neighbouring molecules have different energy levels. When light shines on one of these molecules, an electron is momentarily excited before passing its energy over to a nearby molecule with a slightly lower energy level. In this way, energy can flow "downhill" from energy level to energy level, via different routes, until it reaches a reaction centre where actual photosynthesis occurs.

Scientists had previously assumed that the energy moves downhill in a random walk – an incoherent "hopping" between energy levels. But this mechanism does not explain how solar energy is transferred so quickly to a reaction centre, which allows photosynthesis to proceed with energy efficiencies of 95% or more. In recent years, various theoretical and experimental studies have suggested that quantum mechanics plays a role, by transporting energy in a wave-like manner. But for all the results, an explanation based on classical physics could never be ruled out, according to Alexandra Olaya-Castro andEdward O'Reilly of University College London (UCL) in the UK.

Quantized vibrations
Olaya-Castro and O'Reilly claim to have uncovered the first unambiguous evidence for quantum effects by doing a theoretical study of the vibrational motion of chromophores – colour-producing molecules such as chlorophyll. Drawing inspiration from the field of quantum optics, where specialist techniques have been developed for characterizing the quantum-mechanical nature of light, the researchers showed that the absorption of a photon of sunlight generates an electronic excitation, the energy of which matches a collective vibration of two chromophores. So long as this vibrational energy is greater than the surrounding thermal energy, the researchers say, then a quantum of energy can be exchanged from one chromophore to the other.

Olaya-Castro and O'Reilly knew that this energy exchange was purely a quantum effect when they tried to plot a probability distribution of fluctuations in the occupation of the vibrational mode and found that these variations were too small to allow a classical description. "This unambiguously demonstrated that the phenomenon described has no classical analogue," says O'Reilly.

"I'm happy to see this paper published – it's a breakthrough," says Gregory Scholes, a chemist at the University of Toronto who has studied the quantum effects of photosynthesis. "There has been a lot of debate in the literature and at meetings lately about the interplay of vibrations – which [we] assumed to confer only classical effects – and electronic coherence in light harvesting. This new work takes the debate to a new level by showing that it is precisely this interplay that makes the system function quantum mechanically!"

"Non-trivial quantum effects"
Scholes adds that the UCL work "points the way" to experiments that directly detect the signatures of quantum effects. Moreoever, says Olaya-Castro, such quantum signatures might not only be found in photosynthesis: specific vibrational motions are also thought to be involved in other biological processes such as vision, smell and enzyme reactions. "Our results suggest that a careful inspection of the dynamics and fluctuations of these 'good vibrations' of molecules in their excited states could benchmark a common principle for non-trivial quantum effects in biology," she adds.

The understanding of photosynthesis is particularly important, however, because of the need to develop methods of harnessing solar energy. "The research on quantum effects in biology has the potential to provide invaluable insights on how to achieve robust, quantum-enhanced energy transfer," says Olaya-Castro.

The research is described in Nature Communications.

 

[Non Locality]

Coincidentally, or not, the neurons in our brains share almost the exact same structure, so does the single cell Paramecia. In other words we are intimately tunned into our phase space.

 

[Balarama]

Is there any evidence to support these claims?

 

[Non Locality]

I would have answered you right away but had honey do's and my seedlings to tend, very nervous about them but they are up!

Which particular claim are you referring to?

 

[Balarama]

Any of these relating to tides.
You probably know quantum effects and gravity work on different scales, so i don't see the connection here.

 

[Non Locality]

Any of these relating to tides.
You probably know quantum effects and gravity work on different scales, so i don't see the connection here.

I'm not so sure I would say that quantum effects and Gravity work on different scales but certainly are measured on different scales. An interesting and very serious idea about gravity and below the plank scale subtle energies put forward by Roger Penrose in the late 80's early 90's. Penrose suggests, as best I can remember, that a probabilistic distribution which becomes a superposition that ultimately collapses into one state or the other exemplifies gravity below the plank scale. It is also the action that results in enough charge to result in neuronal discharge.

See Hameroff and Penrose's Orch Or. Same operating principle seems to happen in plants as well.

This is the general idea that has been around for quite some time, see David Bohm, now due to the explosion of nanotechnology and instrumentation in general we are pushed more and more into this direction. Simply put, all fundamental orders unfold and enfold into one another.

The connection is this, there is no longer any such thing as an isolated quantum state. Entanglement is now said to be the actual fabric of spacetime, which changes the definition of spacetime and explains the instantaneous transfer of information no matter the distance, by some very serious folks. The entanglement of subtle energies are governed by fields according to Einstein and many others. In the way of subtle energies being entangled and being what's easiest to call spacetime plants included with everything else are indeed connected.

This subject is very hard to deal with without easing into metaphysics. But it's the best I can do.

 

[Dr. Babnik]

As far as I know, the first to talk about it was Rudolf Steiner in 1924. It is a principle of biodynamic agriculture. However, I am not sure it has been scientifically investigated.

 

[Balarama]

Thanks non locality.
From what i can deduce it's still all based on unproved theories, some even unprovable thus by definition metaphysical.
Also what Penrose and Bohm were saying was so often misinterpreted that I wouldn't ever try to think of it in laymen terminology, it leads to warping unfunded ideas and trying to make sense out of the uncomprehended.

If gravity or any other effect cannot be measured, simply means there is no effect. And on the quantum scale there isn't such an effect.
Imo scales are important to set when thinking of the interconnection between forces in consideration.

Another perspective.
Steiner had ideas which were not proven by proper science but are assumed to work by some people. These people never bother to present and explain mechanisms by which all biodynamics function. I never found any proper research, zero.
Also the varieties with which Steiner worked are not grown on earth today, all vegetables are now different because of selection and other developments in agriculture.
So all of this has to be taken like hear-say quasi wisdom, not as facts or truth or whatever too serious.
But you know, that's just my opinion...

 

[Non Locality]

Thanks non locality.
From what i can deduce it's still all based on unproved theories, some even unprovable thus by definition metaphysical.
Also what Penrose and Bohm were saying was so often misinterpreted that I wouldn't ever try to think of it in laymen terminology, it leads to warping unfunded ideas and trying to make sense out of the uncomprehended.

If gravity or any other effect cannot be measured, simply means there is no effect.

As was said by formalist in reference to Einstein, Podolsky, and Rosenberg until Bell and three others whom I can never remember. No effect or can not be measured?



And on the quantum scale there isn't such an effect.
Imo scales are important to set when thinking of the interconnection between forces in consideration.

Another perspective.
Steiner had ideas which were not proven by proper science but are assumed to work by some people. These people never bother to present and explain mechanisms by which all biodynamics function. I never found any proper research, zero.
Also the varieties with which Steiner worked are not grown on earth today, all vegetables are now different because of selection and other developments in agriculture.
So all of this has to be taken like hear-say quasi wisdom, not as facts or truth or whatever too serious.
But you know, that's just my opinion...

I think the most convenient thing about formalism is that unless there is a mathematical structure and the technology available for repeatable experimentation then its only an idea. The worst thing about formalism is that it can and has taken 100 years to confirm and then proceed with development.

Here is a good article written by Robert Frost, ISS astronaut.

There have been numerous experiments into plant growth in space. It's important to scientists on the ground because it can help us better understand how plants function which can help us to grow food more efficaciously. It's also important to NASA, because when we finally start sending astronauts away from low Earth orbit, they may need to grow their own food and maintain their own regenerable atmosphere.

Gravity is not the only difference between the Earth environment and the ISS environment. In the closed atmosphere of a spacecraft, volatile organic compounds (VOCs) can accumulate. VOCs need to be scrubbed from the air or seed production will suffer. There are elevated radiation levels that can cause mutations and affect growth. An experiment on Mir, that involved storing tomato seeds in space for six years found mutation rates up to 20 times higher in the space seeds than in the control seeds stored on the ground. And there are the spectral effects of using only electric lighting.



Because plants also respire, we have to have fans to circulate the air around the plants so that they don't suffocate on their own exhalations. Even failed experiments can provide us with better understanding. An experiment to study plant lignin failed to produce healthy plant materials but taught us more about providing effective air movement.

In the absence of weight, there is poor water and air movement through the rooting media. One complication we've discovered is that in microgravity, the water distributes evenly throughout the soil. This can actually prevent air from reaching the roots. That's why 'Veggie' uses wicks - so that water is only distributed to selected areas. It's also why a lot of study has gone into selecting the best soils. Fine grained soils hold too much water and coarse soils hold too much air.



Tropism is a growth response between a plant and external stimulus. There are numerous forms of tropism and understanding each of them greatly affects our abilities to grow healthy plants. One of the cool things about experimenting on the ISS is that we can study each form of tropism in isolation. On Earth, gravity tends to overwhelm the other influences.

Gravitropism is when the external stimulus is gravity. Plants have a hormone called auxin. In a gravity environment, if a plant is oriented on its side, auxin will accumulate in the stem and stimulate cell expansion that will result in the stem bending to point upwards so that the stem grows towards light (the sun). Similarly, auxin prevents cell elongation in the roots and that encourages roots to grow downwards.

When plants grow, they do so in an oscillatory or helical manner called circumnutation. We can easily see this in vines that grow around an object. An interesting experiment was done aboard the ISS to study this in the absence and presence of gravity in the space environment. Arabidopsis plants were grown from seeds in space and observed both in the normal microgravity environment and in a centrifuge that simulated 0.8 g. While under the 0.8 g, the plants experienced circumnutation amplitudes 5-10 times as high as in microgravity. Within the endodermis of the planet there are gravisensing cells. On a larger scale, this may mean that vines cannot twine in space.

An interesting thing learned from studying cucumber growth in space involves a structure called a peg that develops immediately after germination, between the root and stem. This peg has long been observed and the scientists were interested to see if it was dependent on gravity. What they learned was that each seed is structured to grow two pegs - one on each side - but in the presence of gravity, only one peg develops, whereas both are activated in microgravity.

Studies indicate that a plant's perception of gravity is related to the presence of starch in the organelles within the cell structure of the roots. Roots with starch appear to be more sensitive to gravity that roots that are missing the starch.

Hydrotropism is when the external stimulus is water. Cucumber plants are particularly dependent on gravity to initiate growth. An experiment called Hyrop Tropi was conducted in the Japanese laboratory aboard ISS, in 2010. The experiment was designed to investigate two major objectives; one was to see if roots of cucumber seedlings would bend toward water when they grow in microgravity, and the other was to identify Auxin-regulated genes. This was a neat example of an experiment that needed microgravity. It would be difficult to study the role of water on Earth, because we can't easily remove the effects of gravity, but in space we could ensure that water was the only stimulus. Here's a brief summary of the results, from the principal investigator:

The results showed that roots hydrotropically bent toward the moistened plastic foam under microgravity conditions, whereas they grew straight along the direction of gravitational force under 1G conditions. The hydrotropic response in microgravity appeared to be greater in the NaCl chamber compared with that in H2O chamber, but they did not differ statistically. Furthermore, CsIAA1 gene differentially expressed in the hydrotropically bending roots; the expression was much greater on the concave side than on the convex side. On the other hand, no asymmetric expression of CsIAA1 in the roots grown under 1G conditions were detected. These results revealed that roots become very sensitive to moisture gradients in microgravity and that auxin redistribution and differential auxin response take place during hydrotropic response. Also, the results imply that the hydrotropic response can be used as a means of root growth regulation for plant production in space. (Hydrotropism and Auxin-Inducible Gene expression in Roots Grown Under Microgravity Conditions)