And it was gooood!!! Thanks for your time,, the sword bits have split away from the stem and have split into two!! As for the cutting thing like you suggest seems like hard work an I choose autos because of their supposed ease,, so I think I'm just gunna let it go as the northern seems to be coming along bit slow like but it is flowering, I've taken some cuts from a regular photo nl and if these autos aren't upto much I mite end up just goin back to them,, but I'm gunna give em time to see if they pull thru,, could over ferting slightly cause them to be knocked back?? Looks like a slight to much N