Ya, pisses me off too Pop. I had a great environment, stuff worked, all was very stable and reliable. Took me 12 months to get geared up on win 7 and server 2008. Still have one app that is critical and won't run on 64 bit or win7... Arghh! And I am just a microcosm. 178 users, 212 computers 12 locations 8 servers. Just the changes to group policy alone... Because the users don't want to see anything different or change, deity forbid something would change!