New Grower quick flush???

[FreeLivin]

Hey Pop, good post thanks, I read the entire thing and it was very interesting, and comical lol.
Good information for anyone who doesn't keep their head in their ass and actually reads what is being written.




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[Magic]

Well I'll be darned. Learn something new everyday. But it's still not a valid comparison.

Biggest difference most people smoke cannabis u eat strawberries. When u eat things it has to go thru many filters like your liver,kidneys, ect the chemicals almost gone by time it reaches your bloodstream. When u smoke the chems go striaght to your bloodsteam thus causing more harm if u have too much left over nutes. I believe you can never truly flush all the chemicals out like mr piggy said the only real way to avoid chems is grow organic, u may not yeild as much until you get the hang of it,but the smoke will be better

 

[az2000]

Besides that nutes don't drain out of a plant that way, the plant has to use it and convert it to energy to get rid of it. So it's going to be in your nug anyway.

1. This site seems to be unique in its differentiation between "flush" (flooding the container to remove a harmful condition such as salts or too-high nutrients) and "cleanse" (watering without nutes so the plant consumes its stored nutes and, if the water is ph'd, remaining nutes in the soil).

It sounds like you're calling the "cleanse" a "flush"(?) and referring to another site where they may practice flush followed by 10 days of water only. If that's the case, it may be unclear how much those external parties may be realizing the flush is harmful, but not the water-only cleanse.

Either way, the differences in terminology may lead to confusion. (I.e., I think most here agree "flushing" is an extreme action to be avoided.).

2. Referring to the bolded quote, "use" should mean "metabolize?" It seems like there would be a difference between plant material that is a product of metabolized nutrients and material that contains stored nutrients.

Although, I don't understand that difference, how it works, etc.

 

[pop22]

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[pop22]

Biggest difference most people smoke cannabis u eat strawberries. When u eat things it has to go thru many filters like your liver,kidneys, ect the chemicals almost gone by time it reaches your bloodstream. When u smoke the chems go striaght to your bloodsteam thus causing more harm if u have too much left over nutes. I believe you can never truly flush all the chemicals out like mr piggy said the only real way to avoid chems is grow organic, u may not yeild as much until you get the hang of it,but the smoke will be better

What I'd like to see is, an analysis of plant matter to see what the plant actually contains toxin wise. IMO very little can enter the plants thru the roots, they are by "design" very selective in what can pass thru them. We measure nutrient uptake in ppms for a reason, that is, the roots about them at the molecule level, so unless the compound in question has a smaller molecule than that of an ion of a beneficial mineral, how is it going to enter the plant?

 

[az2000]

IMO very little can enter the plants thru the roots, they are by "design" very selective in what can pass thru them.

I agree with you that spectral analysis of the output of various grow methods would be interesting. But, for now there do seem to be a large percentage of people who say they taste something better from organic nutrients, or that using molasses during the 2-week cleanse (water only) produces a nasty burnt sugar taste.

I know we're subjective beings and can taste what we want to taste (if motivated the right way). But, there are so many people saying the same things like the above that it's hard to believe they're wrong.

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We measure nutrient uptake in ppms for a reason, that is, the roots about them at the molecule level, so unless the compound in question has a smaller molecule than that of an ion of a beneficial mineral, how is it going to enter the plant?

Could this be where beneficial microbes break down compounds to make them available to the roots?

 

[Muddy]

1. This site seems to be unique in its differentiation between "flush" (flooding the container to remove a harmful condition such as salts or too-high nutrients) and "cleanse" (watering without nutes so the plant consumes its stored nutes and, if the water is ph'd, remaining nutes in the soil).

It sounds like you're calling the "cleanse" a "flush"(?) and referring to another site where they may practice flush followed by 10 days of water only. If that's the case, it may be unclear how much those external parties may be realizing the flush is harmful, but not the water-only cleanse.

Either way, the differences in terminology may lead to confusion. (I.e., I think most here agree "flushing" is an extreme action to be avoided.).

2. Referring to the bolded quote, "use" should mean "metabolize?" It seems like there would be a difference between plant material that is a product of metabolized nutrients and material that contains stored nutrients.

Although, I don't understand that difference, how it works, etc.

We've been trying to change the terminology here to avoid confusion. https://www.autoflower.org/f2/flushing-vs-flushing-12578.html.

 

[Mr Piggy]

yeah u say the medium holds the nutes salts ect but im talking about cutting the plant and putting it in water to bypass the whole medium issue.....

Only if you want some mold in your buds. Once you cut your plant you need to immediately start the drying process. Keeping it moist will invite bud rot. Also, there is no way in hell a cut stalk is going to uptake more water than a root system. If you don't want too much chems in your plant then:
1) don't over feed it
2) give it a good bleed off of nutes at the end of it's life instead of a flush
3) or just go organic and forget about it.

A strawberry is an evergreen perennial that produces fruit and lives. A cannabis plant is an annual that puts all of it's energy reserves into one season of breeding before it dies, so yes, the yellowing is actually natural on cannabis.

Apples and oranges people.

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IMO very little can enter the plants thru the roots, they are by "design" very selective in what can pass thru them.

Which is why most chem nutes are chemically altered to bypass those natural systems and force feed the plant. This is why they can be burned with bottle nutes but do fine in TLO. The method of uptake you are describing only happens with True Living Organic soil.

No offense, but opinion has no place in a scientific discussion.

 

[green76]

thanks for the heads up on the budrot.....what is "bleed off of nutes???

 

[Mr Piggy]

Feed it very light, then not at all for the last two weeks or so. It gives the plant time to use up the nutes and convert the sugars. This leads to a cleaner smoke.