Well. Things are going downhill fast

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:doh:- pushing the button is for activating the moisture meter :rofl:... did you read up on the instructions? for pH, you just buff the tip clean, then insert to about half way and let it sit for a couple minutes, and read it,... don't take readings after you feed, it skews the results temporarily,...wait a day first! Also, this probe works best in well moistened soil, not saturated, or any kind of dry, that will give iffy results,... 6.8 is a bit high, 6.5 or a bit lower for true soil is best,...
roots may have been damage by drying out, or staying wet too long and rotting some,... keep the moisture levels more even top to bottom,....

Got it ty

I went and found some shot glasses and have the pots elevated right now, I’m hoping this well let the bottoms dry up mow if the roots got too went down there. I watered the one furthest in flower yesterday because it was so dry. She just got RO water and not a ton, she doesn’t look quite done yet to me but some parts of her do. She’s putting out some great smells so I’m just going to keep watering her for a few more days and see

The other gsc that is more sativa is also putting out some more frost now. It’s not totally dry but it will also only get water..

The blue amnesia started to look better and actually a little taller for the first time but now she’s got a weird dark coloring on some of her top leaves.. she needs a bit more time to dry out, hopefully being raised up will help that compact soil. I noticed her getting what looked like some light burn (I think she grew taller) so I moved the light a few inches away. The temps were up but that’s been corrected
 
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Got it ty

I went and found some shot glasses and have the pots elevated right now, I’m hoping this well let the bottoms dry up mow if the roots got too went down there. I watered the one furthest in flower yesterday because it was so dry. She just got RO water and not a ton, she doesn’t look quite done yet to me but some parts of her do. She’s putting out some great smells so I’m just going to keep watering her for a few more days and see

The other gsc that is more sativa is also putting out some more frost now. It’s not totally dry but it will also only get water..

The blue amnesia started to look better and actually a little taller for the first time but now she’s got a weird dark coloring on some of her top leaves.. she needs a bit more time to dry out, hopefully being raised up will help that compact soil. I noticed her getting what looked like some light burn (I think she grew taller) so I moved the light a few inches away. The temps were up but that’s been corrected
If pots were on ground then i would veg root rot. Get some peroxide and mix in with feed or water. Do that a few times and then put some microbes back in.
 
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So the ones who looked like they got too much food have only been getting water with cal mag, a pinch of sweet candy and a tiny like .1 g / liter megacrop. I don’t know if it’s what they needed but they’re still alive.. & stopped getting worse. gsc [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] was partially harvested. without a way to see trichromes, I just pulled the tops that had gone almost completely orange hairs with like 10 percent having gone crinkly brown. unfortunately the bottom of th plant looked like it was a week behind the the rest, so I’ll wait until that looks a bit more mature. The smell has gone from a minty orange to a rotten fruit wet sock smell, slightly concerning but I see no sign of any mold.. There’s probably not enough buds for mold to be much of a worry

The gsc [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] hasn’t changed much, it’s looked the same for a week, I don’t see any more buds developing or hairs turning orange or really much of anything. Some of its leaves have started to just kind of break off with no effort so it will be pulled soon. Theyield was so poor I didn’t even bother to weigh it. I hung them up inside a brown bag and since I was out of stuff to smoke I’ve been smoking it. (It was stem snapping dry in 3 days). Sad to say I’ve never grown such airy buds.. the smoke is actually fantastic and the strength wasn’t sacrificed too much.. i bet this is nice after a good cure. But the buds aren’t dense at all they’re super fluffy & there just isn’t much of it

Which brings me to the blue amnesia, my final hope to not be without smoke for the next few months and I’m pretty much done with her the accurat 8 says the root ph is 6.5, like exactly... yet she is throwing another hissy fit and her recovery was short lived. I know she’s not getting too much water because the accurat 8 shows the moisture too and I’ve made sure of it. She started throwing phosphorus deficiency signs so I did a super light feeding for her and then she just turns yellow over night, and now she really doesn’t look good, I don’t know why she begs for food and then goes to the brink of death every time I feed her but I am at a loss. I ready to start new seeds and just accept that while I thankfully have something To show for it, overall it was a pretty unsuccessful grow and I had more luck on my first grow!

Confidence is shaken enough that I’ve procrastinated starting the new round of plants for several weeks which I really shouldn’t be doing because the yield from these is already going to be pretty meh & it’s gonna be a rough month with not much to smoke for myself & my better half. I need to get over it and just start a new one
 
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So the ones who looked like they got too much food have only been getting water with cal mag, a pinch of sweet candy and a tiny like .1 g / liter megacrop. I don’t know if it’s what they needed but they’re still alive.. & stopped getting worse. gsc [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] was partially harvested. without a way to see trichromes, I just pulled the tops that had gone almost completely orange hairs with like 10 percent having gone crinkly brown. unfortunately the bottom of th plant looked like it was a week behind the the rest, so I’ll wait until that looks a bit more mature. The smell has gone from a minty orange to a rotten fruit wet sock smell, slightly concerning but I see no sign of any mold.. There’s probably not enough buds for mold to be much of a worry

The gsc [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] hasn’t changed much, it’s looked the same for a week, I don’t see any more buds developing or hairs turning orange or really much of anything. Some of its leaves have started to just kind of break off with no effort so it will be pulled soon. Theyield was so poor I didn’t even bother to weigh it. I hung them up inside a brown bag and since I was out of stuff to smoke I’ve been smoking it. (It was stem snapping dry in 3 days). Sad to say I’ve never grown such airy buds.. the smoke is actually fantastic and the strength wasn’t sacrificed too much.. i bet this is nice after a good cure. But the buds aren’t dense at all they’re super fluffy & there just isn’t much of it

Which brings me to the blue amnesia, my final hope to not be without smoke for the next few months and I’m pretty much done with her the accurat 8 says the root ph is 6.5, like exactly... yet she is throwing another hissy fit and her recovery was short lived. I know she’s not getting too much water because the accurat 8 shows the moisture too and I’ve made sure of it. She started throwing phosphorus deficiency signs so I did a super light feeding for her and then she just turns yellow over night, and now she really doesn’t look good, I don’t know why she begs for food and then goes to the brink of death every time I feed her but I am at a loss. I ready to start new seeds and just accept that while I thankfully have something To show for it, overall it was a pretty unsuccessful grow and I had more luck on my first grow!

Confidence is shaken enough that I’ve procrastinated starting the new round of plants for several weeks which I really shouldn’t be doing because the yield from these is already going to be pretty meh & it’s gonna be a rough month with not much to smoke for myself & my better half. I need to get over it and just start a new one

I hear ya, brother. The struggles and disappointments can become disheartening but don’t give up! Move on and start another grow. I’ve been having my own issues and one plant in particular is similar to your own struggles. You can find it here in the infirmary under the title “Defficiency or Burn?” Guess what soil is in there? FoxFarm. Lol. I’m pretty well over using FF. Could be other things but there are just too many complaints about FF and 2 bales of Happy Frog I have tested around 5.4pH. It’s just not worth it to me as there are too many other good soils available. Soils that you don’t hear complaints about. My problem plant is doing the same thing as yours: looks hungry, feed plant, symptoms get worse. Sometimes it seems like things are back on track and then they take a u-turn and get worse. My conclusion, with Waira’s help, is that the soil and roots have just gotten so jacked up that there’s no “fix” at this point. So, I’m just trying to drag her, kicking and screaming across the finish line. We started the 5th week of flower yesterday and she’s almost 4’ wide. Just can’t give up on her. All this hassle is disappointing but I’ve learned so much as well. So have you, though! Thankfully, my other plants have done and are doing ok; and I have some others in the pipeline. But I say, ‘buck-up, take what you’ve learned and start again!!’ But with something besides FoxFarm!

I’ve becone fascinated with the microbiology aspect of organics and that’s the route I’ve decided to take. In nature we don’t see plants getting ‘feedings’ - they make do with what’s there and what falls from the sky. That’s what I’m trying to mimic but it’s not cheap to do. If I wasn’t doing this, I’d probably opt for going the opposite route and following autobeast’s method with BioBizz Light medium and liquid nutes. He has such amazing results with autos and he has an easy to follow regimen that’s pretty simple. I don’t know about you, but I sort of grabbed a little from this style and a little from that style and threw in a bit of what had worked for me in the past and ended up with some issues. This next cycle I’m following more specific guidance on one style and using a recipe.

I also think that some of my issues, and possibly yours are/might be related to watering issues. I’m suspicious that my watering technique has caused issues in my soil. I’m rethinking the whole water thoroughly and dry out thing. For one, with the living organic thing I’m about to start, drying out is a definite no-no. Drying out kills the microbes. Sure, I can put more in with Recharge and others but WHY? Plus, with peat and coco, they become hydrophobic when dry. So, I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts there are some dry pockets in my pots, especially my problem girl’s pot! Thirdly, even though they’re in fabric pots in trays, I wonder whether they may be TOO wet at the bottom and/or not breathing well. Soooo, I’ve started mixing a yucca extract powder called ThermX-15 that I got from BuikdASoil in with my sphagnum peat moss before I wet it. This SHOULD help to reduce the likelihood of dry pockets. BUT, I’m changing my water regimen as well. I want to keep my new “living soil” properly moist at all times. So, I can hand water a little bit daily or, better yet, every few hours (which is totally impractical for me) or figure out an automatic system. I decided on the later. I ordered a 12 carrot Blumat set with a 5 gallon reservoir from Amazon ($130US) and spring for one of their digital moisture meters that uses their ceramic membrane technology to read moisture content based on pressure - the same technology that operates their watering system. So many of the living soil growers I look up to rave about them that I HAD to try them. Since, I lean towards outdoor growing and Blumats’ scalable systems are perfect for outdoors, I can experiment and learn something I can also employ outside. I’m also considering trying Autopots to maintain constant and optimal moisture but they aren’t going to work for me outdoors and I like the the air pruning of fabric pots. My point with all this is that maybe YOU would also benefit from some sort of change in your watering practices? The more I read the more I find out that watering issues seem to be the cause of problems far more than nutrients, when it comes to soil.

Sure hope you stick with it and jump back on that horse for another round! Despite the frustrations, isnt it such an adventure? I love learning new things and there’s just SO much you can learn in growing cannabis. I gave it up for more than 20 years but now that I’m back at it, I can’t give it up again! Lol! I will say, it sure seemed easier back in the late 80’s when there was less known and less products. How can that be? Dirt from the garden store, tomato plant food and water and a few months later you had great bud. Simple, for the most part. Bugs were my big issue, not really deficiencies too much. Good genetics from Humboldt and Mendocino helped. Lol!

If you’re looking for another soil, I’ve got a new plant started in Roots Organic soil that’s doing great. If you’re only growing a few plants and can afford it, I’d just get some bagged soil from KIS Organics or BuildASoil. It’s probably the best bagged soils out there. I couldn’t use my own mix as it’s still curing. The Roots soil was like $25 for 1.5 cubic feet and it’s available on Amazon. I also heard that Sunshine [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] is a solid performer as a base soil and, of course, everyone talks about ProMix. There are plenty of great growers on here that can make great recommendations on bagged soil better than FoxFarm. If you decide to go the organic route and want to mix your own, I’ll be happy to share the recipe I was given to use. Just send me a PM
 
Your plants may not look the best but if you fix the problem the plant can still produce . I had ugly plants I over watered and over fed and still got 7 zips from it.

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That’s where I’m at with my problem child in my own thread. I’ve had some ugly finishers that still have a decent amount of great smoke. I wasn’t going to win any bag appeal awards but I don’t give a hoot for bag appeal. Lol! Not sure if you meant it for me or the op, but thanks either way!
 
View attachment 995109 View attachment 995110 Lol I’m sure there’s quite a few of us in the ugly plants club. I doubt this will be more than an once or two between the 2 gsc when it’s all said and done.

So thanks for telling me about your situation with the fox farm soils @DTOM420 , I used fox farm quite a few times but this was over a decade ago. I never had problems with them but it was with photos that were also frequently getting repotted, so this was a different experience for me but I’ve seen enough, I won’t be buying anymore time to try new things

I started a new generation. I used leftover dirt with some perlite for a NYCD auto and 2 fastbuds Pineapple Express just in Roots rganic soil. Started them in 3g grow bags, RO water with 1/8 tsp calmag and .5g sweet candy was used in 1.5 liters of water to moisten the soil, seeds had tails, dropped em in tonight

Smoked some of the super popcorn buds that were pretty close to dry from the brown paper bag on the partially harvested gsc [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] the sativa pheno... wow totally different taste smell and high. I like it better than the Indica leaning pheno with the fatter buds. There’s a lot less of it but it tastes like lemon cookies with a bit of that shitty hay grass smell that will hopefully go awAy soon. If they taste that good now I can’t wait

Now that I think about it I don’t think any of this weed will ever see a full cure because I’ll need it before it ever gets a chance to cure

So I’m at a total loss with this blue amnesia .. my gut says start flushing her but my brain says no maybe that was her problem in the first place, getting too much water and the soil too compact. Then why is she never happy it’s drivin me nuts, I’m scratching my head wondering nitrogen def? Toxicity ? Nute burn? Is my RO water bad I mean it’s from Walmart
 
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Just a quick update, I finished harvesting the buds on the first gsc, the indica leaving pheno. I was very anxious to see this rootball. The roots filled the entire pot pretty densely but I didn’t see a lot of he bottom because the roots had fully grown into the bottom of the fabric pot it was extremely hard to separate them and they all tore when I removed it. I’ve never grown in fabric pots so I don’t know if that’s normal but I’m not sure I like fabric pots as much as other people seem to. I’ll see how this next round of plants goes in these different ones (quality appears better but I don’t know how id really know that. Once I had my root “doughnut” I checked it out. The roots didn’t have rot from what I could see, they looked normal white and cream colored but hers what I did find: pockets of soil hard as a rock because they were so brittle dry, and pockets of wetter soil too. It just seemed very inconsistent. I don’t even know if I want to reuse this dirt, I used to recycle dirt but this might not be worth keeping I don’t know

I still really wish I could figure out what was wrong with these plants. I’m wondering if the roots fusing into the fabric are good for the plant? Instinct says a resounding hell no
 
I think potting soil can do that, get dry spots, if it gets too dry. The water will run right past these dry spots and drain out the bottom.

I try to water to run off and then let the water sit in the drip pan for an hour or so. The soil will suck up the water and get moisture to the areas that the water just ran past during top watering. Then I suck up any excess water with a turkey baster.

I'm on my first grow but I've had that happen with houseplants and tomatoes that I've started indoors and let get too dry between waterings. I thought I was watering enough but the water was just running straight out to the drip pan and not soaking into the soil.
 
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