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when i see grows in greenhouses with led lighting why are the lights so high above the plants ? picture example, the one i saw on tv was a medical cannabis grow in a english greenhouse where the led lights were easy 5ft,6ft or more above the plants ?
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Since it is supplimental lighting, maybe they don't want shading from the light fixtures on the plants during the sunlight hours?

I think that's the way I'd do it over raising and lowering the lights twice a day. Low enough the do some good when the sun is weak(cloudy) or down but high enough they don't shade the plants when the sun is strong. :shrug:
 
That could be it but the plants in those pictures look like they’re very young and with powerful and efficient commercial quality LED lighting, they probably don’t need to get as close as you might think. I’ve been having some issues with some of my plants and I, finally, called HLG to ask them about my light. Turns out in full flower that 600w (at the wall) LED light should be 18”-24” from the top of the canopy. Really, they said, “24” is best. So, during veg, they need a LOT less light; and they told me I could easily go 4’ above at 1/2 power. Sooooo, a 1000w (at the wall) LED can veg a very large area for a pretty considerable difference. Definitely further than I would have thought before talking to them. So, I’m guessing that many of those commercial greenhouse or even indoor gardens don’t need their lights as close as many people think. That’s be my guess besides the fact that just supplementing natural light wont require nearly the intensity of total artificial lighting; and the greater the distance the greater the surface area coverage.
 
At a guess they are photo plants, the lights on even at a distance would stop plants going into flower early? I can put photos under light of an evening to veg longer than they would if I were to put them outdoors permanently, after they are appropriately sized they are left out to flower outdoors...
 
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@DTOM420 check the vid out, these are in flower and more than 24" above plants :doh: ,how do they get the penetration when we are told 18-24.
@the green bandit :thumbsup: just as another example ...theres loads with leds sky high.


Pure speculation on my part but an educated guess is that they can produce a commercial grade product without the amount of light that most home growers use in their effort to produce top grade cannabis. Cannabis is not just cannabis and the bulk of what’s sold in dispensaries is, IMO, mid-grade flower <—to be polite. Giant cannabis operations are geared towards maximizing profits, not quality. There’s nothing wrong with this either. I look at them as the equivalent of a farmer that produces, let’s say, tomatoes for the Walmart shopper. The product needs to be acceptable to the buyer and, most importantly, cheap enough to produce that it can be sold for a low price and still maintain the profit margin they need. These growers are NOT targeting the Whole Foods or farmers market picky organic buyer that will pay ANY amount to get the highest quality available. So, these giant producers need to provide JUST enough light to produce bud of a quality that’s JUST good enough to sell for the incredibly low price for cannabis in Colorado.

Most people on AFN (and most forums) have quality in mind, first and foremost. That means, we aren’t balancing energy costs against yield as it relates to the bottom line. So, all these videos on CannaCribs and the videos you posted shouldn’t be viewed as tools for how to set up your grow space unless it discusses aspects that are identical to your style or setup or those topics that are universal like pest or disease management. I mean, maybe if the title of the video was like, “CO’s largest AAA+ grade cannabis farm” or something like that I’d pay more attention; but the word “biggest” is code for ‘less than craft (top) grade,’ to me. I say, don’t get fooled into trying to learn much from videos like that.

On a more technical level, keep in mind that most of those are clones or just tops (after most of the side branches have been used for clones) and they aren’t worried much about light “penetration.” They have perfect canopies that only need enough coverage. Again, this is not the way most AFN members grow. SOG/SCROG growers being the closest. Most of us run multiple strains and don’t have or can’t maintain perfect canopies with nothing but tops; so we NEED the light to penetrate more than a commercial grow that’s running a sea of clones of ONE strain.

Maybe someone else with far more knowledge will come join in a tell me I’m full o’ sh*t but till then, that’s be my explanation. I’d love to hear a commercial grower address your question so we’d know for sure!

FWIW- the camera angle in those videos may also be making the lights appear to be slightly higher than they actually are; but NO doubt they’re 24”+.
 
Wanted to add that HLG’s recommendation was actually more like the lights ought to be “at least 18”-24” above the canopy in veg.” The KEY words (in this discussion) being, “at least!” This implies that you can flower successfully with even more distance and that somewhere between 18” and 24” is where you can expect to see burn and/or have issues” At least that’s how I take it. I want to ride that ragged edge of performance to get the highest quality possible because I’m not growing with making money in mind. God knows I’d be using different techniques if profit margins were part of my growing equation! Lol!
 
@DTOM420 :thumbsup: surely the name of the game whether they are growing a poor quality tomato or a premium one is still yield so more pentration \ light equals
more yield ? still scratching my head.
:thanks: hlg shedded a bit more light on it ,but like you say would love to hear from a
commercial farmer
 
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