There was another line of autoflower nutes released quite a few years ago but I forget the name!

I just had a search for Autoflower Specific Nutrients and the only other brand I found was Bionova

Bionova - AutoFlower-SuperMix - https://www.bionovanutrients.com/grow-products/autoflower-supermix

There may be other autoflower nutrients out there but I spent enough time to know, it probably would take a long time to find it.

There is a thread on Autoflower nutes (not a very long one)here on AFN, where I mentioned Dutch Pro Autoflower nutes 5 years ago - https://www.autoflower.org/threads/autoflower-specific-nutrients.37386/

So it has taken me 5 years to get around to getting some "Dutch Pro autoflowering nutes" lolz!:haha:
I would have done it before but I had a load of nutes supplied to me, which has lasted me a long time,I have a small cab and only grow for percy plus a few select members of the fam!
I'm a evening vaper, so a little goes a long way!

I did posset the notion of autoflower nutes many years ago and wondered, "which company would be the first to release them" - that was back in 2012 and is highlighted in magenta in the article below written by @DutchPassionTony and first posted here on AFN.
The original article was posted by @DutchPassionTony and was lost from AFN archives, during updates to the sites server, even though the article is now 7 years old, it is still and interesting read and also a good look back at how things have progressed!

It was after Dutch Tony of Dutch Passion posted a piece here in AFN about the effects growing under LED had on cannabisses uptake of nutrients and how the fuller/full spectrum made it possible to take up more nutrients.

I have just made a copy of the copy I posted here, which I posted on ICMag in 2012 and prior to that on Strain Hunters (under a previous moniker on both forums) Previously posted on AFN here in 2011/2012 - https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...ium-added-to-our-led-grows.39178/#post-747800

Here is part of a post I made back in 2012 on ICMAG , In the most part it was copied and pasted from a post made by Dutchpassiontony here on "AFN", many moons ago.

After searching around for over 30 mins in the AFN archives for the original post by tony, I had to give up and go and copy and paste it from ICMAG lmao two-ing and fro-ing info lol.

Any way here is the post - I think the post was called " Dutch Passion Tony's thoughts on Calcium uptake and LED's" or something similar.


One other important aspect of LED is the fact that the light comes evenly from a panel of 3 feet x 3 feet. Or 1m x 1m for us Europeans. The effect of that is a more even spread of light rather than a single point source as you have with a traditional HPS Bulb. LED is similar in concept to the ‘travelling light’, or HPS on a rail where the light rolls from one side of the room to the other ensuring that all plants get some direct light at some point. The problem with the travelling light technique is that for a lot of the time the bud is getting low light. The idea of spreading that illumination out,a s the LED panel does, results in all the plants is getting a fair share of light all the time And all the light the plant does get is rich in the most useful wavelengths. It is a dream scenario for the plant and perhaps that alters the plants feed requirements. It seems to increase the requirement for calcium and magnesium and I am sure that is key to understanding what it is that LED does differently.

Here is an initial theory on why magnesium deficiencies are seen. Magnesium is used in several ways, it is also needed as part of the chlorophyll molecule itself. Could it be that LED grown plants use extra Magnesium to produce extra chlorophyll to deal with the increased levels of useful light? I don’t know, but it is a fair question to ask.

Calcium is used in different ways by the plants but one way is in cell walls and membranes. It is used in enzymes and transporting of other nutrients. Somehow more of this is going on.

So my thoughts are along several different lines right now.

LED is now more effective ‘watt for watt’ than HPS. The poor public image of LED is down to some early exaggerated claims that never survived public scrutiny. But LED technology has really moved on in the last year or so.

I think the LED market will really takeoff when there is a bit more serious competition. HydrogrowLED look like they could give HPS a serious run for it’s money in coming years but prices will have to drop. I can’t believe that the LED manufacture can be so expensive, a few cents each but surely not too much when LED’s are being produced by the million in the Far East. And assembly of the components is something the Chinese can do with their eyes shut for a fraction of the price we can achieve in the west. So $1,000 or more for a 300 watt LED device seems excessive. Get the price down to $300-$400 and hardened HPS devotees will buy them. In my opinion LED prices are going to have to soften in order to get mass market appeal. At current prices I think 90% of customers will never be able to justify it even though they might love to have one.

But technically they are really moving LEDalong. It makes me wonder where LED light performance might be in a few years time. For those that worry about heat signatures and energy consumption then LED has obvious attractions. The light is all fully usable by the plant and it is delivered from an evenly lit panel rather than a single point. So all the plant surface area can join in the photosynthetic fun.

I have one other point to make about LED. By my reckoning some 40% of available surface area on the panel is not used. I am sure there is a reason for this such as limits in soldering density, or something even sillier reason such as the current factory only make circular units. But I am sure that these problems could be overcome. LED panels could be made brighter by filling some of the ‘dead space’ on the panel with more LED’s. And like I said, I really can’t believe the LED’s themselves can cost that much. We have seen LED’s move from 1 watt to 3 watts in the last couple of years. What happens when they find a way to mass produce a 5W or even a 7W version? And prices will drop like they do for everything else that is mass-producible. I remember being mesmerised by the first electronic calculator I saw, ‘could I ever afford one of my own?’ I wondered. And barely a decade later you were getting them for free when you filled up your car with gas.

I think we need to ask the nutrient manufacturers how they need to reformulate their products to allow for the new feeding requirements of the plants and I will check around the Dutch Passion office to see if we have any contacts and let you know. I am sure I can initiate some cooperation from my mineralised brothers in the nutrient world. I will see if I can get them to register onsite and give us their views.

I think LED will really take off. Right now it is still in the stage of the ‘early adopter’ . It will become a mainstream technology but manufacturers will first face up to a transition from ‘premium market’ to ‘mass market’ and change profit expectations for it to happen.

And Seymour, we would truly love to see you scrog a couple of AutoMazars, let me know if you are serious about that,perhaps after this grow. If you are serious,we will get you some seeds and run a ‘guess the yield’ contest. But I would go for both LED panels (or evenbetter 2x penetrator pro’s !) rather than one. Make it spectacular !

The plant continues to look excellent Seymour, how much is she drinking each day ? I wondered whether there was a hint of nutrient burn at the tips of the leaves on one shot? As you say, she might need another week before the PK14 boost. I am amazed she is at an EC of 1.6 when the Mazar would only take an EC of 1.0 under the same conditions.

You are doing great mate

This post was originally posted by "Dutchpassiontony" on the Autoflower network

Interesting stuff , what does the future hold? Will we see LED targeted plant foods & who will be the first to formulate them.

The Seymore referred to, in the start of this post is a guy called "Seymore-buds" he grew 350g with 290W of led, thats over a gram per Watt. Comparable to what you can expect with an hps! He was growing "Auto Mzaar" from Dutch Passion.

Auto's are now starting to achieve more acceptable weights and highs and LED getting better all the time, producing some fine crops. All we need now is for LED to drop in price,I'm guessing in the next few year we will see that happen.

2012

As for the name of the first Auto specific nutes, that is but a blur in my poor addled mind but no worries as they no longer make it!:baked:

So for the moment, if you want Auto specific nutes Dutch Pro are the market leaders, with 5 years of skin in the game!
also thats crazy that you posted that in 2012 and look now at led lights
 
also that's crazy that you posted that in 2012 and look now at led lights
Yup the time seems like many more years than it actually is!
Back then it was Grow Northern Ms0004 (No picture but only had 4 light modules) a looked like the Ms0006 but smaller!
Grow Northerns Ms0006
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which was adopted by Dutch Passion and was massively used here at AFN and which also had optional rebel modules
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to supercharge your light!,
Hydrogrow 84X-PRO
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not bad light but Cammy was known to be a bit scammy, at times with her/his dealings.
Magled 357 Magnum
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Finally the Apollo
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Which looked very much like Grow Northerns MS range but had cheaper components.

There were other LEDs around at the time but these were the popular ones I remember which produce good results.

The LED technology age has been quite frankly meteoric in how fast lights have come on to the LED's we use today, which are insanely good.

These days most hobby growers seem to have switched to LED from HID with the exception of some growers using CDM/CHM hid grow lights and plasma lights like Gavita Light Emitting Plasma (LEP).

Seven years later we are using COB's once called "LED Integrated Arrays" but "Chip On board" was less of a mouthful and was soon reduce to "COB". I predicted this many moons ago but like all things it took time to get there and needed a name change to make more user friendly".
Let's also not forget the LED's like s SanLights awesome S4W & Q6W, as well as other quality brands such as Platinum LED, Black Dog, California Light Works etc (too many to mention)!
I love LED's and have from the start when I used to have to champion them as HID trolls did not like them back then and same went for Auto's, so many people were against the whole idea of them.
Thankfully times have changed and LED's are here to stay until the next level of tech arrives, that is!
 
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It must be getting on for a couple of weeks but not quite, since my last update.It is this phase of the growth cycle, I always find ball achingly boring, when it comes to posting updates.
I have been following the feed schedule for autos, in coco but I think I will change that up a bit next grow.
The feed schedule says no nutes first week for seedlings and then the second week 1 x spray with leaf green (their foliar feed).
Plants are healthy and look good but maybe a bit on the pale side for me, I put this down to the feed schedule .
Next time I will start on half strength nutes, from the start, as I would normally with a coco grow.
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Does anyone use Dutch Pro? If you do I am wondering how you start your seedling off. do you follow the feed schedule or do you do something different! @Vapo69 I think you use Dutch Pro, any advice or tips greatly received brother:headbang:!
As you can see in the seedling/cuttings stage no watered in ferts for first two weeks and second week only "leaf Green" foliar feed.
Currently I am feeding the week -4 on the chart above (vegetative growth) with added CalMag/Iron and Hesi Super Vit.
Here's a few pics - Citrus Noir is in the top right corner in all the pics, ther rest are Rainbow Stone!
These Strains are bred by Stone @ the "Autoflower Portal".
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It must be getting on for a couple of weeks but not quite, since my last update.It is this phase of the growth cycle, I always find ball achingly boring, when it comes to posting updates.
I have been following the feed schedule for autos, in coco but I think I will change that up a bit next grow.
The feed schedule says no nutes first week for seedlings and then the second week 1 x spray with leaf green (their foliar feed).
Plants are healthy and look good but maybe a bit on the pale side for me, I put this down to the feed schedule .
Next time I will start on half strength nutes, from the start, as I would normally with a coco grow.
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Does anyone use Dutch Pro? If you do I am wondering how you start your seedling off. do you follow the feed schedule or do you do something different! @Vapo69 I think you use Dutch Pro, any advice or tips greatly received brother:headbang:!
As you can see in the seedling/cuttings stage no watered in ferts for first two weeks and second week only "leaf Green" foliar feed.
Currently I am feeding the week -4 on the chart above (vegetative growth) with added CalMag/Iron and Hesi Super Vit.
Here's a few pics - Citrus Noir is in the top right corner in all the pics, ther rest are Rainbow Stone!
These Strains are bred by Stone @ the "Autoflower Portal".
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i feed from sprouts arty day 1 also have you ever tried remo newts im a big fan i actually won my 1st lot on a live stoners interview around about when you won them sanlights if i remember correctly
 
i feed from sprouts arty day 1 also have you ever tried remo newts im a big fan i actually won my 1st lot on a live stoners interview around about when you won them sanlights if i remember correctly
As would I normally Tom but damn foolish me followed the chart.
I'd love to try Remo's nutes and you seem to be rockin them, with your grow!
But I have plumped to go with Dutch Pro for the moment and so I need to use them or lose money
That must have been June July time.
In fact I have just posted my first SanLight grow, when I grew Trippy Gorilla by Big Head seeds.
Here I'll link you so you can see my SanLight Grow.
I was gonna tag you from the journal but here is just as good!
Arty Grows : Trippy Gorilla - https://www.autoflower.org/threads/arty-grows-trippy-gorilla-by-big-head-seeds.71012/
 
Thanks Tom :biggrin: I'm looking forward to it too and to try some new flavours, I'm really looking forward to the Rainbow Stone which has hints of raspberry in it!


Hey Hobbsie, how goes it? It's great to be back! Thanks for the warm welcome! :pass:


I'm sure that will happen, when I get 5 mins I start a journal for the peeps over there too!:d5::smoking:

Hey brother :bighug: Sounds good to me. I'll be sure to have a look and tag along! Tag me in when you do please!
:cheers:





Hi @TheArchitect :pass: Welcome to AFN. You found a little gold mine here!! The members here are awesome and the staff are even groovier! If you ever need a hand, lets us know and someone is bound to lend a hand in the very friendly forum! Thank you for dropping and your kind words!:d5:
Nice picture of Ludwig Mies van der Rohe BTW :thumbsup:



@TheMongol Brother I'm glad you like the book!! I thought i'd make the effort seeing as I messed up last time ;) I wanted to make it an epic journal for you and to make it up to you! :bighug::pass:


Hi Tina, I hope business is good for you!:thumbsup: Thank you for your kind words and for dropping by!:d5:

Blooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo:bighug:Hey how ya doin? Thank you for your kind words, I know you love a good intro!!!:smoking: It should be a good grow but a bit of luck never goes amiss! Now we share the same location, (you say)? Either we both be in a cupboard growing stealthily or we be in a field wearing smocks, drinking cyder and chewin' on a piece of straw! (Who doesn't like being a wurzle eh)?:crying:


Hi Free Flow, cheers buddy, thanks for dropping by!:d5::pass:Some Moonstone beans, noice! You gonna enjoy a nice smoke from them!
I won a T-shirt design comp with my mooston t-shirt,so seeing as you growing some moonstone I'll post a pic of the design!
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Indeed my friend green trumps brown but recently I have had some 00 - Double Zero that was as soft as chewed bubble gum. As good as any top grade Amsterdam hash!

Thank you all so much for dropping by and i hope you tag along until the chop

Group smoke out time!

:smokeout::pass::smokeout::pass::smokeout::pass::smokeout::pass::smokeout:

Big Love
Arty:bighug:
hehe, no value judgement here, just green growing above substrate, need both for success
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Just got paid! :woohoo1::woohoo::woohoo1:
Money goes in:biggrin: money goes out:nono:
Well aint that just life eh?:shrug:
It however isn't all bad, in fact it is mostly all good!:headbang:
I have just had an Ebay splurge:woohoo1:stocking up the supplies cab!
In my first post I didn't cover Nutrients because i wasn't sure what I was going to use.
I have plenty of bits and pieces of this nute and that nute from different lines. which I could have grown with but I guess now i am saving them for a time if I run out of anything.
I decided,partly from other growers journals to grab me some "Dutch Prow, Coco, Hard Water, Autoflowering nutes".
I ordered the full kit, which comes in a box that looks like a Dutch narrow house, which made me smile when i saw it!
  • Dutch Pro Grow and Bloom 2-part base nutrients
  • Includes a bottle of the awesome Dutch Pro Explode for stunning blooms!
  • Dutch Pro Take Root ensures a huge and healthy root system
  • Multi Total provides enzymes and lots of other great ingredients to complete the line-up
  • Includes a full easy-to-use Dutch Pro feeding chart so you don't have to remember when to use what!
  • For use in hard water areas
  • For Autoflowers
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That box, it's got to make you smile!

The next choice was to get some silicon for good strong leaves and stem, my choice here was "Vitalink Silicon Max".
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My next choice was "Vitalink Fulvic"
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This product can be used as a foliar spray or as a root drench by adding it to the nutrient tank.
Benefits:
  • Boosts plant results at each life cycle stage
  • Improves the way plants transport nutrients
  • Starts to work as soon as it is applied
  • Foliar & root drench

When using high light levels under the full spectrum of LEDs and growing in coco, Calmag is something every grower should have on hand.
High light levels combined with coco's love of binding calcium make Calmag a must, but al calmags are not equal!
The inclusion of iron in the mix is the missing links, so these days any calmag for must have iron in it.

My choice of Calmag is "Ionics Clamag Pro" which also has a few other nice bits and pieces in it.
Ionic Cal-Mag Pro contains three key ingredient groups to return plants to healthy growth:

Mineral elements

Ca and Mg to restore peak growth.

Three calcium sources including chelated calcium for rapid assimilation by the plant giving quick results.

Fe (chelated) to correct a potential deficiency or uptake limitations.

Organic Compounds

Specific amino acids, in bioactive L-form for speedy absorption, to enhance photosynthesis and nutrient uptake.

e.g. Glycine and glutamic acid are fundamental metabolites in the formation of vegetable tissue and chlorophyll synthesis.

Seaweed Extracts

For increased resistance to pests and diseases.

To alleviate abiotic stress.

Enriched with natural growth enhancers.

Now we are getting to the substrates.

Firstly is my choice of coco.
For the past two grows I have been using "Coco Guru's - Coco coinz" with great results!
In the past I used "Canna Pro coco" which I liked and never had a problem with but when big bags wrapped in black plastic were delivered , I used to get some wry grins!
With Coco coins they come as compressed pucks, 10 puck when soaked in water make 1 Liter. this is a very convenient way to measure how much you need before rehydrating!
Also when delivered it is a relatively small box and I get no knowing looks!



Description
Developed to include the benefits of compressed coco, made into manageable small COINZ that can be dropped into individual pots with ease. Just pour the required amount of COINZ into your desired pots, giving you a total of 50 litres of coco in a small handy box, with handle, weighing approximately 3.2kg.

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Size / Contents
• 50 litres

In Brief
• Pre-washed – low sodium
• Pre-buffered – high in calcium
• Non-fertilised – low EC

How to use
1. Open packaging
2. Tip Coinz into a minimum 50ltr container
3. Pour water onto Coinz for expansion
4. Once fully expanded, sprinkle into plant pot
Note: For faster expansion use lukewarm water

In recent grow I have added "Growstones" to my coco. Growstone are made from recycle glass. The glass is expanded, much like clay pebbles are to give them many tiny holes. These tiny holes hold air and water/nutrients and they have a much higher air holding capacity than perlite.
Unfortunately there are no stocks in the UK presently, I'd have to buy from Canada with a hefty shipping cost!
So I have ordered so "Perlight".

In addition to the above I have also purchased some "Dutch Pro - PH- Down for Flowering". I still have plenty of "Dutch Pro - PH- Down for Vegetative & Dutch Pro PH+ UP for both Vegetative and Flowering.

I have also ordered some more measuring syringes as the older ones are losing their measurement lines and numbers.

Other bits and pieces include

"Maxicrop - Take Root" - Root growth stimulant.

"Rootacillin" - biological root inoculant. Prevents and treats root disease & protects against Pythium,phytophthora & Fusarium. By coating the root with million of beneficial bacteria.

"Nitrozyme" - Promote strong and healthy growth, I will use it as a foliar spray - Seaweed based.

"Plant Magic" - Bio-wetter - For breaking the surface tension of nutrient solutions, which allows for better wetting and soaking in of nutrients in the substrate ie. coco.

Finally we get to the "Hesi Super Vit" - SuperVit by Hesi is a growth and flowering stimulant that gives your plants a series of important amino acids and vitamins to keep them healthy and growing fast.

Contents:
  • Vitamin A
  • Vitamin B1
  • Vitamin B2
  • Vitamin B3
  • Vitamin B4
  • Vitamin B6
  • Vitamin B7
  • Vitamin B9
  • Vitamin B10
  • Vitamin B11
  • Vitamin B12
  • Vitamin B15
  • Vitamin C
  • Vitamin E
  • Vitamin D
  • Folic Acid
  • Glycine
  • L-alanine
  • L-tyrosine
  • Glutamic acid
  • L-tryptophan
  • L-histidine
  • L-leucine
  • L-serine
  • L-phenylalanine
  • L-proline
quite the shopping list, I just took 3 hits of CN offa joint, me mind does boggle
 
quite the shopping list, I just took 3 hits of CN offa joint, me mind does boggle
Hi Animal:pass:
Shopping in a necessary evil and it eats up cash but all done for a while now!
I hear so many good things about Citrus Noir, I can't wait to taste it.
This grow was gonna be 2 x CN and 2 x RS but one CN didn't germ so I have what I have now!
Thanks for dropping by @trailanimal
 
As would I normally Tom but damn foolish me followed the chart.
I'd love to try Remo's nutes and you seem to be rockin them, with your grow!
But I have plumped to go with Dutch Pro for the moment and so I need to use them or lose money
That must have been June July time.
In fact I have just posted my first SanLight grow, when I grew Trippy Gorilla by Big Head seeds.
Here I'll link you so you can see my SanLight Grow.
I was gonna tag you from the journal but here is just as good!
Arty Grows : Trippy Gorilla - https://www.autoflower.org/threads/arty-grows-trippy-gorilla-by-big-head-seeds.71012/
Yes I'd love to see how you do with Dutch pro I'm just off to see your journal
 
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