New Grower Autoflowering @ F1 on photo/auto cross

[Mossy]

Wiz - if you need assistance moving posts from this thread over to the
discussion thread - let me know.

Cheers TBM...I Think I have done it..........without killing anything...

Nelson...I always use JEM..but I am breeding in a small gene pool..All Affy.

If I were you..I would look for an Auto with a Similar genetic background to the Photo girl you want to take over..
I just Think it makes an Easier transition if they have something they can Meld with in Both Parents.

When I did the Deep Chunk photo-auto...
I really wanted to pull a Mini-Me off..

A Perfect Lookee-likey..trait true..Deep Chunk..BUT..in Auto..

so I Built ALF#3..
putting 3 slighty different Auto Affy dominants into ALF#3..

Hoping that when the DC photo went in..she would have a big selection pack of genetics to meld with..so Strengthen herself out..

To Me..as an Experiment..it Worked..

Match the Auto genetics as closely as you can to the Photo genetics..it makes it Easier..:thumbs:

 

[Torched]

I'm no geneticist, but most of these plants have been under human crossing for a few decades at most, granted much accelerated over the natural course. They've been under natural breeding for hundreds of thousands of years. Far enough back and just about everything has probably been crossed from a rudi or auto is a trait from whatever evolved into mj. Nature favors a photo, higher production time and similar breeding times so photos become the dominate phenotype. When you cross a genetic outlyer with auto trait still intact you are going to have the possibility of an auto in F1 because somewhere in your photos genetic memory it has auto. This means that a photo X photo also would have a very minuscule chance of making an auto. Most of those found in human breeding would be destroyed and in nature may not have anyone to pollinate with or start going in the wrong season.

Sorry Wiz the people have spoken...or are discussin'

 

[Nelson]

I got a few questions on breeding I would like to have asked. I won't do so now. I sure never found the thread to ask these questions on. It is just as clear as mud. I will wait to ask my questions some other time. Keep your thread for your pictures. I am out of this one.

I think the original post is quite clear what this thread is supposed to be - a thread where folks can post their results.
I believe there is already a thread for discussion.
Wiz - if you need assistance moving posts from this thread over to the discussion thread - let me know.
Of course most likely the discussion thread will end up having many of the same pics that will get posted here, I would imagine.

 

[Torched]

oh...I thought Wiz spun off a results thread and left this one to discuss...Should I move my last post somewhere else?

 

[Mossy]

Nope Bros..I have spun-off..so this is yours now...

Too Good a discussion to interupt..and there was less of our info to move out..so it was easier....Enjoy...

 

[Nelson]

When it comes to trying to breed an auto to a photo like I am trying to do with trainwreck. I am trying to end up with fem seeds for my bubbly tank.

Does anyone think there is any difference from using say the photo as a male and the auto as the female? Should it be the other way around? Maybe it makes no difference at all.

How many back breedings do you think it will take to get consistant autoing of the trainwreck cross?

Should the sme auto be used for back breeding or would I be better with a different auto to back breed?

 

[desertnance]

Carchofa-

Xactly what I conveyed, then got to hair splitting. Pictures, please??

Answers found elsewhere, I guess. It takes a few generations to work photo x autoflower to be full auto all the while back crossing. What to you think the major seed breeders have been doing? Read where certain strains are "stabilized"....meaning more auto tendancies. Like the Auto Haze as a freebie months ago...mentioned 90% AUTO....not qwuite 100%, but close....another back cross will probably ensure 100% AF.

Being either male/female, you want the most desirable traits in each, then bx, bx, bx....you'll get it Nelson!! (CommuterTrainWreck from TrainWreck x Low Rider2)!!!

 

[Nelson]

Hey your talking to a guy who cries when he hears 'Puff the Magic Dragon" To this day I hate pulling male plants to kill them. Of course we love our plants. but I think your thoughts are interesting not sure I got them all with the right meaning.

A Lot of growers say that you cannot get Autoflowering girls @ F1 from an Auto/Photo cross. I'm tired of explaining that you Can..

Wiz.. Do you tend to work exclusively with auto-flowering varieties? Maybe it has something to do with intention? Many of us will know from experience that plants thrive well in thriving environments and happy plants live with happy people. Since we have such a close relationship with these plants we are indeed communicating with them on a daily basis upon providing for them and it's perhaps possible therefore that our external interference may to some extent determine the genetic predisposal. In the bigger picture it would seem the horticulturalist achieves what he wants from his life-stock as if directly through his ongoing commitment to preparation. Since breeders have examined closely the characteristics and behavior of each successive generation they know from experience the genome like a personality and can to some extent 'predict' various outcomes of future breeding projects. If this is the case, then perhaps there is some truth to what Torch was saying earlier in the thread regarding genetic memories. It's Interesting that we, in the process of cultivation shape and engineer the outcome of so many of the plant's characteristics by exposing them to a particular set of environmental parameters. It is perhaps by external interference that we reawaken these memories in the genome increasing the probability of their selection. Breeders that breed predominantly for photo varieties will apply techniques used to cultivate photo-varieties and thus will favor the natural selection of these traits.

This is by no means based on any specific study.. Just a thought that's all

 

[Trifid]

A Lot of growers say that you cannot get Autoflowering girls @ F1 from an Auto/Photo cross. I'm tired of explaining that you Can..

Wiz.. Do you tend to work exclusively with auto-flowering varieties? Maybe it has something to do with intention? Many of us will know from experience that plants thrive well in thriving environments and happy plants live with happy people. Since we have such a close relationship with these plants we are indeed communicating with them on a daily basis upon providing for them and it's perhaps possible therefore that our external interference may to some extent determine the genetic predisposal. In the bigger picture it would seem the horticulturalist achieves what he wants from his life-stock as if directly through his ongoing commitment to preparation.

Since breeders have examined closely the characteristics and behavior of each successive generation they know from experience the genome like a personality and can to some extent 'predict' various outcomes of future breeding projects. If this is the case, then perhaps there is some truth to what Torch was saying earlier in the thread regarding genetic memories. It's Interesting that we, in the process of cultivation shape and engineer the outcome of so many of the plant's characteristics by exposing them to a particular set of environmental parameters. It is perhaps by external interference that we reawaken these memories in the genome increasing the probability of their selection. Breeders that breed predominantly for photo varieties will apply techniques used to cultivate photo-varieties and thus will favor the natural selection of these traits.

This is by no means in reference to any specific study.. It's just a thought

 

[phreedom_man]

What we are trying to figure out is if certain crosses are more receptive to Auto crosses..



up to now..I have had stupid high % of Autos @ F1..
we don't know if those % are high because of the genetics pool I'm working in..
High Afghans..
or
if ALL Auto/photo crosses do the same

KS..stanko..and Me all have auto/photo F1's going..so we are starting to Pool Results..

Wiz in my experience there are photos that are more receptive.
I have seen autos in the F1 only a couple of times.
The photos used where real early strains.
Photo strains that finished outdoors in 100 days from seed.
And the percent I saw was usually around 20%.

I believe there several genes that are linked.

I also believe you have a better chance at seeing autos in the F1, with a indica vs. a sativa.

In general I do not see autos in the F1, but usually in the F2.

Some strains it took me F4 or more to lock down 100% auto.
There was one strain that had 20% auto in the F1, I crossed those, and they were fully auto in the F2.