(This one was stunted because I never used felt pots and didn't know how fast they dried out.)
Photography Autoflowers NOT imferior to Photoperiods. Period.
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(This one was stunted because I never used felt pots and didn't know how fast they dried out.)
Certainly not flaming. My argument isn't that Autos are SUPERIOR to photoperiod. It is that, at this point in time, I believe them to be equal.
Nothing in this world is black and white, and the word 'Best' probably shouldn't even be a word at all. Everything is situational. A pro from where your standing, May be a con from where Im standing.
There are situations where photoperiod woukd be ideal, of course. Strict control over veg time, and subsequent plant size is a great asset.Whether it's extended veg time for trees, or simply ensuring that you don't overgrow your space. It's a crucial logistical component to any efficient garden.
Once you get to know your auto strain, you can easily adjust your pot size to achieve your desired plant height. Of course, however, there will ALWAYS be variances, which can be problematic for some. Autos really require knowing your strain, it's growth patterns, and its phenotypes. You will likely also have to plant extra seeds to cull undesirable phenotypes or underperformers. Still though, this is more easily controlled by photoperiods.
The ability to clone can also be a great asset. To dial in a specific phenotype will inevitably raise the aforementioned 'Ceiling' with regards to yield. The consistency of the final product could also be considered a plus, although not necessarily.
There are, however, often unacknowledged liabilities associated with realiance on clones. Monocrops, and monoculture in general are something I advocate against. By putting all of your eggs in one genetic basket, and denying that genetic basket of its natural evolutionary prerogative, you are allowing them to be susceptible to pests and disease which are not evolutionarily frozen in time. It may not be a problem now, or next month... However, if you move, or something new is introduced to your grow room (Via clones, infected soil, mold spores in the basement of your new home, etc) there exists the potential for a complete crop failure (Remember the Potato famine?)
Autoflowers also require more electricity, unfortunately. During the summer months, with peak electricity costs it is certainly not advantageous. However, Many growers in winter months are forced to run a space heater to warm their environment. Im sure most of us could find a more efficient use for those 1500 watts haha. Other growers may be forced to shut down for the entirety of winter, because of low temperatures.
This is another situation where autos can flourish. Electricity costs are a little over 50% of what they are in the summer. So you can afford to run your HID lights 24/7 through the , entirely avoiding the frigid night time temperatures. The room where my tent was 40-45 degrees F throughout the grow, with tent temperatures between 55-60 most of the time. Less than ideal, but completely feasable.
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Certainly not flaming. My argument isn't that Autos are SUPERIOR to photoperiod. It is that, at this point in time, I believe them to be equal.
Nothing in this world is black and white, and the word 'Best' probably shouldn't even be a word at all. Everything is situational. A pro from where your standing, May be a con from where Im standing.
There are situations where photoperiod woukd be ideal, of course. Strict control over veg time, and subsequent plant size is a great asset.Whether it's extended veg time for trees, or simply ensuring that you don't overgrow your space. It's a crucial logistical component to any efficient garden.
Once you get to know your auto strain, you can easily adjust your pot size to achieve your desired plant height. Of course, however, there will ALWAYS be variances, which can be problematic for some. Autos really require knowing your strain, it's growth patterns, and its phenotypes. You will likely also have to plant extra seeds to cull undesirable phenotypes or underperformers. Still though, this is more easily controlled by photoperiods.
The ability to clone can also be a great asset. To dial in a specific phenotype will inevitably raise the aforementioned 'Ceiling' with regards to yield. The consistency of the final product could also be considered a plus, although not necessarily.
There are, however, often unacknowledged liabilities associated with realiance on clones. Monocrops, and monoculture in general are something I advocate against. By putting all of your eggs in one genetic basket, and denying that genetic basket of its natural evolutionary prerogative, you are allowing them to be susceptible to pests and disease which are not evolutionarily frozen in time. It may not be a problem now, or next month... However, if you move, or something new is introduced to your grow room (Via clones, infected soil, mold spores in the basement of your new home, etc) there exists the potential for a complete crop failure (Remember the Potato famine?)
Autoflowers also require more electricity, unfortunately. During the summer months, with peak electricity costs it is certainly not advantageous. However, Many growers in winter months are forced to run a space heater to warm their environment. Im sure most of us could find a more efficient use for those 1500 watts haha. Other growers may be forced to shut down for the entirety of winter, because of low temperatures.
This is another situation where autos can flourish. Electricity costs are a little over 50% of what they are in the summer. So you can afford to run your HID lights 24/7 through the , entirely avoiding the frigid night time temperatures. The room where my tent was 40-45 degrees F throughout the grow, with tent temperatures between 55-60 most of the time. Less than ideal, but completely feasable.
Great looking plant bro, but unfortunately that when dry would last me the afternoon.(This one was stunted because I never used felt pots and didn't know how fast they dried out.)
I used to grow only photo's. I read about auto's but like you have stated earlier it was all negative. Then in a seed order I was given one seed as a freebie.
I really don't know the strain even because by then I was even considering tossing it after all the negativity I read. I planted it in a pot outside and forgot about it. The plant was total crap.
I never fertilized, let it dry out, etc. Meanwhile I was fighting overheating in my tent, worrying about light leaks, and the whole host of other things that come along with photo's. I kept thinking about the auto and how nice it would be if they were actually good. Then I did my research! Glad I did, never looked back.
Cloning was a challenge but now I have taught myself how to make my own feminized seeds. Nutrition was solved by teaching myself deep water culture hydroponics.
These plants are beautiful. I think professional growers could be really disappointed in yield but for those of us who treat it as a hobby and only grow what we need (good Karma!) they are the most perfect solution we have today.
I really don't know the strain even because by then I was even considering tossing it after all the negativity I read. I planted it in a pot outside and forgot about it. The plant was total crap.
I never fertilized, let it dry out, etc. Meanwhile I was fighting overheating in my tent, worrying about light leaks, and the whole host of other things that come along with photo's. I kept thinking about the auto and how nice it would be if they were actually good. Then I did my research! Glad I did, never looked back.
Cloning was a challenge but now I have taught myself how to make my own feminized seeds. Nutrition was solved by teaching myself deep water culture hydroponics.
These plants are beautiful. I think professional growers could be really disappointed in yield but for those of us who treat it as a hobby and only grow what we need (good Karma!) they are the most perfect solution we have today.
Not sure Autos actually do use more electricity tbh.
If you take a standard auto at 11 weeks seed to chop.
A photo would be about 4-6 weeks veg time.
Be generous and say at least another 10 weeks of 12/12
That would be about 2 weeks more light than a auto.
Obviously there are many variable, but I believe its more likely is about the same.
Most photo growers use hps I would say and these things waste power all over the place, ballast, heat. I'm can't subscribe to the 100w is a 100w business.
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Not sure Autos actually do use more electricity tbh.
If you take a standard auto at 11 weeks seed to chop.
A photo would be about 4-6 weeks veg time.
Be generous and say at least another 10 weeks of 12/12
That would be about 2 weeks more light than a auto.
Obviously there are many variable, but I believe its more likely is about the same.
Most photo growers use hps I would say and these things waste power all over the place, ballast, heat. I'm can't subscribe to the 100w is a 100w business.
Atb
If you take a standard auto at 11 weeks seed to chop.
A photo would be about 4-6 weeks veg time.
Be generous and say at least another 10 weeks of 12/12
That would be about 2 weeks more light than a auto.
Obviously there are many variable, but I believe its more likely is about the same.
Most photo growers use hps I would say and these things waste power all over the place, ballast, heat. I'm can't subscribe to the 100w is a 100w business.
Atb
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Not sure Autos actually do use more electricity tbh.
If you take a standard auto at 11 weeks seed to chop.
A photo would be about 4-6 weeks veg time.
Be generous and say at least another 10 weeks of 12/12
That would be about 2 weeks more light than a auto.
Obviously there are many variable, but I believe its more likely is about the same.
Most photo growers use hps I would say and these things waste power all over the place, ballast, heat. I'm can't subscribe to the 100w is a 100w business.
Atb
Electricity costs depend on veg time entirely, when comparing the two. I agree though, that it isnt necessarily more expensive. It depends on your setup.
I keep my plants under 100w of CFL for the first 2 weeks, then T5s for the next two weeks, and then finally under my 600w MH for the final 6 weeks which is a nice way to cut expenses without sacrificing growth.
In the summer I run 18-6 because of electricity costs, and heat. In the winter I run 24-0 to keep temps elevated. It's nice being able to adjust the light schedule depending on circumstances.
I also LOVE not having my lights on a 12/12 timer. 12/12 makes me paranoid, as I can imagine it 'jumping off the screen' to any electric company personell who may be inquiring into my account. Unlikely, but it gives me peace of mind knowing that my electricity usage will never appear as a flowering room, but rather a space heater or something of the sort.
I keep my plants under 100w of CFL for the first 2 weeks, then T5s for the next two weeks, and then finally under my 600w MH for the final 6 weeks which is a nice way to cut expenses without sacrificing growth.
In the summer I run 18-6 because of electricity costs, and heat. In the winter I run 24-0 to keep temps elevated. It's nice being able to adjust the light schedule depending on circumstances.
I also LOVE not having my lights on a 12/12 timer. 12/12 makes me paranoid, as I can imagine it 'jumping off the screen' to any electric company personell who may be inquiring into my account. Unlikely, but it gives me peace of mind knowing that my electricity usage will never appear as a flowering room, but rather a space heater or something of the sort.
Lol yea it was supposed to be a seed run but the other plant that was going to be the pollen donor died.
And nd like I said it was stunted. It was basically growing with a root system in less than a gallon of soil. My fault. Beginner mistakes with felt pots
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Lol yea it was supposed to be a seed run but the other plant that was going to be the pollen donor died.
And nd like I said it was stunted. It was basically growing with a root system in less than a gallon of soil. My fault. Beginner mistakes with felt pots
This is an attempt to maximize the potential of an incredibly awkward space beneath a staircase. The tent was built from pvc frame, and panda plastic. These plants will be tied up along the walls surrounding the lights. I will place young plants which can be moved, in the open area where the humidifier is.
I look forward to seeing the performance of Autoflowers in a vertical setup.
I look forward to seeing the performance of Autoflowers in a vertical setup.
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Its worth noting the plsnts are only arranged like this until they fill out more. There will be 4 plants (one per wall) around each light.
The light with the plants around it is actually 2 lights stacked. I hope to have 4' tall plants to take full advantage of the stacked lights.
The light with the plants around it is actually 2 lights stacked. I hope to have 4' tall plants to take full advantage of the stacked lights.
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