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[Seymourbud]

Remember, this is only preseason. Vanilla defenses. Very few rookie qb's have a rookie year that is capable of leading their team to the playoffs. When they do, it is because they have top10 defense and or top10 running games to lean on. Not to be a wet towel, but Browns defense and running game probably not in that class, yet. Will they be better, yes. Will it translate into a playoff season after they went 1-31 the last two season, probably not.

 

[MattyMatt726]

Remember, this is only preseason. Vanilla defenses. Very few rookie qb's have a rookie year that is capable of leading their team to the playoffs. When they do, it is because they have top10 defense and or top10 running games to lean on. Not to be a wet towel, but Browns defense and running game probably not in that class, yet. Will they be better, yes. Will it translate into a playoff season after they went 1-31 the last two season, probably not.

See, i beg to differ. Browns have a underrated D. Aside from personal opinions from his pay for hits with the Saints, Greg Williams is a hell of a D coordinator(Todd Haley on O as well for that matter. The 2 of these guys will blow away any coordinators they have probably ever had) they have Myles Garret, Jamie Collins, Mychael Kendricks, TJ Carrie, EJ Gaines, Jabrill Peppers and Denziel Ward. All solid to above average players. Only real no name is on d line except Garret. 2 of 3 backers are good and you got Jabrill playing LB/S and 3 good corners. And cause Greg Williams was Bills coach, i know he likes hard smash mouth D. Hes going to get thise secondary guys to hit hard. I easily think Browns could sneak in as a Wildcard at high ceiling and low end still make 8-8 record.

 

[Seymourbud]

5 to 8 wins for the Browns this year, but I don't think playoffs. Going from 1-31 to maybe a 7-9 record is quite the accomplishment. Got to learn how to win close games,and become a team with a unified goal, then playoffs are a reality. That doesn't happen overnight. Either way, good luck!

 

[MattyMatt726]

5 to 8 wins for the Browns this year, but I don't think playoffs. Going from 1-31 to maybe a 7-9 record is quite the accomplishment. Got to learn how to win close games,and become a team with a unified goal, then playoffs are a reality. That doesn't happen overnight. Either way, good luck!

Shoot, Miami went in 08' if i rmmeber right year 1-15 to 11-5 and playoffs baby XD not at all impossible and i think they got the right coaches and good players at all the positions to not have a glaring weak ess. Only chemistry is what will make or break. And they got that prove it chip on the shoulder so we'll see. Wont do anything with Tyrod though thats for sure.

 

[Frank Nitty]

Remember, this is only preseason. Vanilla defenses. Very few rookie qb's have a rookie year that is capable of leading their team to the playoffs. When they do, it is because they have top10 defense and or top10 running games to lean on. Not to be a wet towel, but Browns defense and running game probably not in that class, yet. Will they be better, yes. Will it translate into a playoff season after they went 1-31 the last two season, probably not.

I agree...

 

[Seymourbud]

You were right, but that was an NFL record having never been done before, and nothing close to that either...

During the regular season the Dolphins completed the greatest single-season turnaround in NFL history,[2][3] going from a 1–15 regular season record in 2007 to an 11–5 record in 2008. The previous record for most improved team one year after a 1–15 season belonged to the 1992 Indianapolis Colts, who went 9–7.

Even the previous record of 9-7 is lofty. Like I said earlier, a 7-9 season would be something to get excited about and celebrate after where the Browns have been the past two years.
Either way, it will be good for the fans to have some football success.

 

[MattyMatt726]

You were right, but that was an NFL record having never been done before, and nothing close to that either...

During the regular season the Dolphins completed the greatest single-season turnaround in NFL history,[2][3] going from a 1–15 regular season record in 2007 to an 11–5 record in 2008. The previous record for most improved team one year after a 1–15 season belonged to the 1992 Indianapolis Colts, who went 9–7.

Even the previous record of 9-7 is lofty. Like I said earlier, a 7-9 season would be something to get excited about and celebrate after where the Browns have been the past two years.
Either way, it will be good for the fans to have some football success.

Im a Fins fan first and Bills second so i know XD on another note i still play the last collage game that came out 14' and im Texas 11-1 only losing out to TCU by 7. QB wins Heisman, Maxwell, Walter Camp and Davey O'Brian awards with just over 3k yards and 26 passing TD and 422 rush yards and 12 TD. RB D'onta Freeman wind Walter Payton with 1700 yards and 20 TD. Im rankend [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] and play Washington in the champ. 35-35 end of 4th. I win the toss, send out the D. They score. Than i tie it at 42-42. 2Nd OT. I throw my 2nd OT TD and Kicker misses the extra point -_- the D comes out. 1st in points allowed at 13.8, 1st in yards allowed, 115th in passing allowed -_- and 1st in rushing allowed with less than 30 if i recall. I got this XD or so i thought.....

Heartbreak at its finest. So hurt right now man. On to another season to try to win it all.

 

[Frank Nitty]

You were right, but that was an NFL record having never been done before, and nothing close to that either...

During the regular season the Dolphins completed the greatest single-season turnaround in NFL history,[2][3] going from a 1–15 regular season record in 2007 to an 11–5 record in 2008. The previous record for most improved team one year after a 1–15 season belonged to the 1992 Indianapolis Colts, who went 9–7.

Even the previous record of 9-7 is lofty. Like I said earlier, a 7-9 season would be something to get excited about and celebrate after where the Browns have been the past two years.
Either way, it will be good for the fans to have some football success.

Indians will win a world series before the Browns make the playoffs, let alone make it to the Super Bowl, and this is from a die hard fan...

 

[Frank Nitty]

Im a Fins fan first and Bills second so i know XD on another note i still play the last collage game that came out 14' and im Texas 11-1 only losing out to TCU by 7. QB wins Heisman, Maxwell, Walter Camp and Davey O'Brian awards with just over 3k yards and 26 passing TD and 422 rush yards and 12 TD. RB D'onta Freeman wind Walter Payton with 1700 yards and 20 TD. Im rankend [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] and play Washington in the champ. 35-35 end of 4th. I win the toss, send out the D. They score. Than i tie it at 42-42. 2Nd OT. I throw my 2nd OT TD and Kicker misses the extra point -_- the D comes out. 1st in points allowed at 13.8, 1st in yards allowed, 115th in passing allowed -_- and 1st in rushing allowed with less than 30 if i recall. I got this XD or so i thought.....

Heartbreak at its finest. So hurt right now man. On to another season to try to win it all.

Should have had Vince Young as your qb... XD

 

[MattyMatt726]

Should have had Vince Young as your qb... XD

Booty as all hell