Indoor Failed run of Cream Caramel

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Hey guys and gal's!

I am in a bit of a pickle, and a little confused.
My auto cream caramel, is under 1ft high and has what appears to be less than 5g's of bud on it when dried. I fimmed it once in veg and it stopped all vertical growth, though showed no signs of stress.

The real kicker is its age, its over three months old now, and has stopped growing all-together, so I am just throwing nutes down the drain. It isn't showing any signs of dying or stress either. D:

Here's my setup:

Light: 200W HOT5 (crappy chinese bulbs without any specs available other than colour)
Container: 5gal hempy bucket.
Medium: Coco/perlite/vermicullite.
Nutes: Canna coco and addatives.
Water source: Rain.

I guess I am just looking for some feedback as to why or what is could be causing this, so I can avoid it in future.

Thanks! :D
 
fimmed?
autos don't always show stress, instead they just become stunted and it sounds like yours are most definately stunted, the growth period of autos is very fast, it goes through several stages 2-3 months, it wont really change its schedual of stages(yes stages will be longer or shorter depending on amount of light) and it is because of this your best not to trim, fimmed? transplant or what ever for instance if its the stage where nodes develop into branches but the plant has to recover from something else instead those side branches wont be fully developed, they will skip that stage

many things can stunt autos, they are harder and less forgiving than photoperiod plants but once you develop a method and shedual that works for you then you will be right
some pics would help
how close to the lights is your plant, it is possible to have the light to close during the first few weeks as it is important to get a little stretch

yes you are wasting your nutes, its 3 months old and no longer growing, its done, harvest it now to getthe best quality you can from small amount, if you keep leaving it under the belief it is goingto get bigger you will most likely deteriate the quality of the product you have

what is your experience with growing and your experience with autos, a plant a foot high and with 5 grams would be a successful first grow compared to most,hell 5 grams of a plant less than a foot tall is quite good, at a foot tall for cream caramel I would guess 3 grams dry would be good, soif you get 5 you have done something right, now you just have tofigure out why your not getting much height and try to rectify that
 
Thanks for the detailed response!
This is indeed my first auto grow, and first time growing indoors with this setup, my third attempt at growing all together.
Oh boy I have so much more to learn. Even after a good year of research, autos are a completely different ballpark.

Fimming (from what I've read) is similar to tipping/topping, only you take 60-80% of the top node off instead of the whole thing in an attempt to get 4 nodes to sprout. I learnt it from over at the GrassCity community.
As for having the light too close, you could be right there - as I was lead to believe you must keep flouros within 1-3 inches of the plants at all times. I have since learnt this is a bit of a myth.

Would it be a good idea to either replace my bulbs with reputable named ones, or invest in another light all together?
I have some Think Different seeds lying around, but I don't want to waste them until I have my rig optimised, and growing plan thorougly mapped out.

I'll start my flush today, and cut at the end of the week I reckon.:wiz:
 
Thanks for the detailed response!
This is indeed my first auto grow, and first time growing indoors with this setup, my third attempt at growing all together.
Oh boy I have so much more to learn. Even after a good year of research, autos are a completely different ballpark.

Fimming (from what I've read) is similar to tipping/topping, only you take 60-80% of the top node off instead of the whole thing in an attempt to get 4 nodes to sprout. I learnt it from over at the GrassCity community.
As for having the light too close, you could be right there - as I was lead to believe you must keep flouros within 1-3 inches of the plants at all times. I have since learnt this is a bit of a myth.

Would it be a good idea to either replace my bulbs with reputable named ones, or invest in another light all together?
I have some Think Different seeds lying around, but I don't want to waste them until I have my rig optimised, and growing plan thorougly mapped out.

I'll start my flush today, and cut at the end of the week I reckon.:wiz:

okie dokie, yes 1-3 inches is way to close for the lights, think of it this way, the plants need light so they grow to it, if they are getting more than enough light they wont stretch towards it, for autos you want them to stretch in the first 20-30 days, once they start to flower them move them closer to the light or the light closer, but 1-3 inches is to close and will cause heat stress and that's yet another cause of stunting, you want them about 5 inches away during flowering/budding and probably atleast 12 inches for veg, ive had sprouts praying(a very good indication they are loving the light they are getting) with my leds being 3 feet above and some cfls(I have 3x50w and 5x20w) no closer than a foot most further than that andmy grow area is 2 feet x 4 feet with the height of 4 feet

as far as topping autos goes, that tends to be a big no-no, I have seen autos topped successfully from experienced growers, but avoid doing it until you get your mojo cranking on the autos, once you find your groove and a great method to growing autos then experiment with topping.
autos are very hard yet very easy, they are hard to get a grasp of and takes trial and error but once you figure out what your doing it becomes very easy

I wouldn't be so quick to rule out your light based on it being chinese, it is 200w more than enough for 1 plant and more than enough for a few depending on your grow space, though more smaller watt bulbs can be more effective than a single larger watt, basicly lighting comes down to size of grow space and growers personal choices

so in summery keep your lights much, much further away during veg then move them closer during flower.

don't top, trim, lollipop, transplant or anything else until you start growing autos of the health and size you desire, once perfected then experiment, keep it simple then add or subtract, don't start complicated as there are to many variables and much harder to figure out what went wrong, and chances are if your a newbie the more complicated it is the more that will go wrong

I don't want to disrespect other growing/cannabis forums but when it comes to autos, look here first, seek advice here first, as autoflower net is a community of auto growers, auto breeders and is very knowlageable on autos, it is a mistake to treat autos like photoperiods, autos have there own unique strengths and flaws
and from my own experience I have found many other forums just don't understand autos and their needs, they can be quite critical and negative towards them as they are naïve to the differences.

hold your head high, for a first autogrow a foot high and 5grams is great
my first grow was 2 plants and they only grew to 3-4 inches and 3 grams between them, my next grow was a wave of grows, first few in the 2nd grow doubled the size of my first grow but were still incredibly stunted (my medium was not airy enough and I was putting a cfl right on the seedlings) I switched to pure coco and for the first 2 weeks kept them as far from the lights as possible, this gave me good early stretch before flower then as they began to flower then got a huge growth spurt and now im getting the size I want.
I stunted my first 6 plants until my first truly successful and now its a breeze, though I have stunted 2 since with a stupid stoned at the time mistake, it is very important not to hope for oz's when your a newbie, the most you can get out of your first couple of grows is experience and knowelage and that's all you should be aiming for and view the final product as a bonus and a sample of things to come

I have only grown 1 photoperiod plant, I used the methods that I apply to my autos, I also used a small pot 4 inches across and 4 inches in height,yet I have grown a monster over a meter high and will pull multiple oz's off her but its just 2damn big and takes way to long as she is about 2-3 months from finish, I get rental inspections roughly every 4 months, by the time she finishes I would have finished 3waves of autos and could probably squeeze in a 4th

I would love to be able to have a set up where I can grow autos and photoperiods as I think both have pros and cons and the ability to grow both would work well with fast autos of great product several times a year and large yielding great quality photos a couple of times a year
 
get some photos up of your set upand im sure many people can point you in the right direction
and yeah save your think different they are expensive, I will have one of those in my next grow

start yourself out a detailed step by step grow log so you can get some assistance and advice every step of the way, if it were not for the suggestions and advice throughout my first couple of grows I am sure ide still be growing nothing but stunted runts, actually I probably would have given growing up and stuck with the crappy dealer weed
 
+ Rep to you my friend.
First person to respond with such coherent detail, anywhere. xD

I plan to finish my non-autoed "auto anesthesia" as soon as I'm done with this Cream caramel, they've been going for around the same time.
It failed to form flowers under 18hrs of light though. Then I'll get cracking on a journal ^_^
 
+ Rep to you my friend.
First person to respond with such coherent detail, anywhere. xD

I plan to finish my non-autoed "auto anesthesia" as soon as I'm done with this Cream caramel, they've been going for around the same time.
It failed to form flowers under 18hrs of light though. Then I'll get cracking on a journal ^_^

your welcome, glad you found it coherent as I get a bit blah blah when im stoned haha.

glad to help out where i can, I feel I owe this site for the help I have received so its only fair I return the favour by trying to help where i can, compared to many on this site I am still a humble novice and find this site to be a great wealth of knowledge and experience, have a look around, you will find answers to questions you have not even considered yet

a non auto auto hey, they happen unfortunately, so does feminised seeds that turn male, nothing is 100%
who was the breeder for the amnesia?
the silver lining to non auto-autos is you can get bigger size with ease, hows the size of the amnesia or is it a let down on that one too?
 
can you post some pictures..I have some sweet seeds going now and am having the same grow turnout on two of them...small plants!... hardly worth the time and work! if all your gonna get is an 1 oz. or 2..but I'm going to give them the benifit and think they were the weak seeds out of the lot? too bad for the both of us!
 
can you post some pictures..I have some sweet seeds going now and am having the same grow turnout on two of them...small plants!... hardly worth the time and work! if all your gonna get is an 1 oz. or 2..but I'm going to give them the benifit and think they were the weak seeds out of the lot? too bad for the both of us!

Have you been defoliating them like usual? Some autos are just not keen on being topped or defoliated and you stunt them,as this member has found out.sometimes it will just add a week or two to the grow time,but it can also just stop growing and you end up with a dwarf plant,its the risk you run if you take the scissors to them.
 
they started out weak I could tell right away by the way they were growing.... out of 3 strains 1 took off pretty good, 1 is 'so-so' kinda small from the beginning, and the third is just a 'runt' to begin with ...
 
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