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Michael Phillips audio interview:
https://www.autoflower.org/vbtube_s...lips-holistic-orchardist-chelsea-green-author
Neem Ratio
100:1 water to neem, 32:1 neem to insecticidal soap (like Dr. Bronners)
So thats:
3200:32:1
100 gals water
1 gal neem
1/2 cup insecticidal soap
1 gals water
2.5 TBsp neem
1 tsp insecticidal soap
3 gals water
7.5 TBsp neem
3 tsp insecticidal soap
5 gals water
12.5 TBsp neem
5 tsp insecticidal soap
10 gals water
24 TBsp neem
10 tsp insecticidal soap
Keynotes for volume calcs:
1 tsp = 1 teaspoon or 5 ml
1 Tbsp = 1 tablespoon or 15 ml or roughly .5 a US fluid ounce.
1 Gallon = 256 Tablespoons
1 cup = 16 tablespoons or 48 teaspoons
A few quick noes on neem oil....
I went to do a write-up... but this guy just has it so well spoken... I had to use it... all the below article is Michael Phillips' work and I take no credit... he is truly a great biodynamic farmer and researcher. Much Respect!
Pure Neem Oil
by Michael Phillips
A whole plant medicine works in many synergistic ways precisely because of the wide range of compounds to be found in any herb. The nutrient rich seed oil pressed from the seeds of the Azadirachta indica tree (common throughout most of Africa and India) offers three areas of holistic intrigue for fruit tree growers:
The cold-pressed oil of
neem seeds contains over a 100 active constituents.
Photo courtesy of Plasma Power.
Quality Aspects of Neem
The raw seed oil tastes bitter and smells garlicky, if not nutty at its freshest. More to the point, this herbal remedy contains vitamin E, essential amino acids, and secondary plant metabolites called terpenoids and isoflavanoids. The fatty compounds in neem (derived from palmitic, stearic, linoleic, and oleic acids primarily) contribute considerably to overall plant health, which in turn help the fruit tree to be that much more able to resist disease.
Most of neem's insect control properties are attributed solely to a single constituent. Azadirachtin interferes with ecdysone (the key insect molting hormone) and therefore prevents larvae and pupae from completing the molting process. Unlike chemical insecticides, azadirachtin works on the insect's hormonal system, not on the digestive or nervous system, and does not lead to development of resistance in future generations. Azadirachtin by itself has impact but better results can be obtained by using all the liminoid compounds in the whole plant medicine. A kind of synergistic effect is obtained whereby one component strengthens and increases the working of another. The azadirachtin content in pure neem oil should average 1800 parts per million (0.18%) when tested.
Corporate Dilution
The neem-derived insecticides on the commercial marketplace (like Neemix and AzaDirect) are basically an alcohol extraction of azadirachtin. Emulsifiers, activators, and stabilizers are added to make the final product easier to apply and store. The oil fraction left behind by this process demonstrates a limited effect against disease, from whence come the so-called hydrophobic neem fungicides. These clarified oil products (like Trilogy) basically work due to the smothering effect of any oil formulation.
Stimulating the immune response of the tree itself prevents fungal spores from getting a devastating foothold.
Fair Trade Source
Plasma Power in India buys neem seeds from dedicated sources in India that provide quality seed. The harvesters are paid a fair wage for work they can depend on year after year. The Ahimsa Alternative in Minnesota imports the cold-pressed neem oil for use in agriculture and herbal medicine. Arun is the brother in India who works with his sister Usha in Minnesota. . . I recommend this family highly for their commitment to fair trade practices for farmers on both sides of the transaction.
Pure neem oil works on three fronts, checking disease and pest insects while at the same time boosting plant health. The Ahimsa Alternative
15 Timberglade Road
Bloomington, MN 55437
952-943-9449
neemresource.com
Suggested Use
I apply pure neem oil along with liquid fish at half-inch green, pink, petal fall, and 7 to 10 days after that. This early season program addresses many orchard health fronts including the primary infection period of fungal diseases like scab and rust. The pace of the weather AND the overlap with other materials (like Surround kaolin clay) determine exact timing. I continue to use neem through the summer (but now with certain fermented herbal teas rather than liquid fish) on a 10 to 14 day schedule, again coinciding with any other specific spray needs. A late August spray on the later varieties finishes up the use of neem oil for the season here in northern New Hampshire.
Rates
Early season neem goes on at a 1% concentration when used as a beneficial fungal catalyst. The ground beneath the tree and the trunk (branch structure) are the primary recipient of this spray application. Little leaf tissue shows at half-inch green and it's generally quite cool, thus risk of phytotoxicity is low. One gallon of neem oil mixed with a half cup of soap emulsifier mixed into 100 gallons of water achieves the 1% concentration.
All subsequent neem applications are made at a 0.5% concentration. It's easy to overdo a hand wand application and then see leaf damage and even eventual fruit russeting. A half gallon of neem oil mixed with a quarter cup of soap emulsifier mixed into 100 gallons of water achieves the 0.5% concentration.
Spray Pointers
Raw neem seed oil will be anything but easy to spray unless you know the tricks of the trade. Due to its high levels of natural vegetable fats, unadulterated neem becomes as thick as butter at temperatures below 60°F. Planning ahead is a must when it comes time to spray: Place the container in a warm room (but not directly in sunlight) for a day or two until the consistency reverts to a homogenous liquid. Placing semi-thawed neem into a pot of warm water on cool mornings may be a necessary as a final step the day of spraying. An emulsifying agent can be any biodegradable soap. This must first be mixed directly into the neem oil; on the order of one tablespoon of emulsifier per 6 oz. of neem oil. Pour this oil/soap blend into warm water in a five-gallon bucket and stir vigorously before adding this mixture to the spray tank and its full volume of cooler water. Applications made every 10-14 days should prove entirely helpful. Be sure to clean your sprayer lines immediately afterwards.
Cost
Keep the multi-purpose aspects of neem oil in mind when evaluating what sprays are most justified in your budget. An acre of fruit trees under the full program outlined above calls for five gallons of neem oil per season. The "four key holistic sprays" alone require 2 1/2 gallons of neem oil per acre per season.
Supposition Alerts. . .
What Fun!
Supporting the arboreal food web and enhancing tree immune function involves more than just neem oil but this whole plant medicine is certainly at the center of the action. Scab control is impressive, and only using the absolute minimum applications of sulfur when primary infection risk is "beyond obvious" is downright healthy for the orchard ecosystem. And some years, given helpful weather patterns, it may not be necessary to use mineral fungicides at all to back up the holistic approach!
The neem tree shares its gift of
health with our orchard trees.
Pretty cool, eh? Neem applications made to the bark in early spring act somewhat like dormant oil in inhibiting egg hatch of soft-bodied insects like aphids and mites. Overwintering moth species in the larval and/or pupal stages are affected by these same trunk/ground sprays. Second generation moths are both repelled and suppressed by summer use of neem oil. Ground absorption, resulting from spraying to the point of runoff in a season long program, likely affects the larval and pupal stages of EAS, PC, and AMF as well. Population pressures are dropping in Lost Nation Orchard as a result of the ongoing use of pure neem.
https://www.autoflower.org/vbtube_s...lips-holistic-orchardist-chelsea-green-author
Neem Ratio
100:1 water to neem, 32:1 neem to insecticidal soap (like Dr. Bronners)
So thats:
3200:32:1
100 gals water
1 gal neem
1/2 cup insecticidal soap
1 gals water
2.5 TBsp neem
1 tsp insecticidal soap
3 gals water
7.5 TBsp neem
3 tsp insecticidal soap
5 gals water
12.5 TBsp neem
5 tsp insecticidal soap
10 gals water
24 TBsp neem
10 tsp insecticidal soap
Keynotes for volume calcs:
1 tsp = 1 teaspoon or 5 ml
1 Tbsp = 1 tablespoon or 15 ml or roughly .5 a US fluid ounce.
1 Gallon = 256 Tablespoons
1 cup = 16 tablespoons or 48 teaspoons
A few quick noes on neem oil....
I went to do a write-up... but this guy just has it so well spoken... I had to use it... all the below article is Michael Phillips' work and I take no credit... he is truly a great biodynamic farmer and researcher. Much Respect!
Pure Neem Oil
by Michael Phillips
A whole plant medicine works in many synergistic ways precisely because of the wide range of compounds to be found in any herb. The nutrient rich seed oil pressed from the seeds of the Azadirachta indica tree (common throughout most of Africa and India) offers three areas of holistic intrigue for fruit tree growers:
The cold-pressed oil of
neem seeds contains over a 100 active constituents.
Photo courtesy of Plasma Power.
- Secondary plant metabolites in neem stimulate an immune response to ward off fungal disease in the fruit tree.
- Azadirachtin compounds inhibit molting cycles of pest insects found on the tree.
- Fatty acid chains serve as "fungal food" for the soil food web and the oft-overlooked arboreal food web. A foliar nutritional boost accompanies as well.
The raw seed oil tastes bitter and smells garlicky, if not nutty at its freshest. More to the point, this herbal remedy contains vitamin E, essential amino acids, and secondary plant metabolites called terpenoids and isoflavanoids. The fatty compounds in neem (derived from palmitic, stearic, linoleic, and oleic acids primarily) contribute considerably to overall plant health, which in turn help the fruit tree to be that much more able to resist disease.
Most of neem's insect control properties are attributed solely to a single constituent. Azadirachtin interferes with ecdysone (the key insect molting hormone) and therefore prevents larvae and pupae from completing the molting process. Unlike chemical insecticides, azadirachtin works on the insect's hormonal system, not on the digestive or nervous system, and does not lead to development of resistance in future generations. Azadirachtin by itself has impact but better results can be obtained by using all the liminoid compounds in the whole plant medicine. A kind of synergistic effect is obtained whereby one component strengthens and increases the working of another. The azadirachtin content in pure neem oil should average 1800 parts per million (0.18%) when tested.
Corporate Dilution
The neem-derived insecticides on the commercial marketplace (like Neemix and AzaDirect) are basically an alcohol extraction of azadirachtin. Emulsifiers, activators, and stabilizers are added to make the final product easier to apply and store. The oil fraction left behind by this process demonstrates a limited effect against disease, from whence come the so-called hydrophobic neem fungicides. These clarified oil products (like Trilogy) basically work due to the smothering effect of any oil formulation.
Stimulating the immune response of the tree itself prevents fungal spores from getting a devastating foothold.
None of these offer the across-the-board connections of unadulterated pure neem oil in building orchard health!
Fair Trade Source
Plasma Power in India buys neem seeds from dedicated sources in India that provide quality seed. The harvesters are paid a fair wage for work they can depend on year after year. The Ahimsa Alternative in Minnesota imports the cold-pressed neem oil for use in agriculture and herbal medicine. Arun is the brother in India who works with his sister Usha in Minnesota. . . I recommend this family highly for their commitment to fair trade practices for farmers on both sides of the transaction.
Pure neem oil works on three fronts, checking disease and pest insects while at the same time boosting plant health. The Ahimsa Alternative
15 Timberglade Road
Bloomington, MN 55437
952-943-9449
neemresource.com
I apply pure neem oil along with liquid fish at half-inch green, pink, petal fall, and 7 to 10 days after that. This early season program addresses many orchard health fronts including the primary infection period of fungal diseases like scab and rust. The pace of the weather AND the overlap with other materials (like Surround kaolin clay) determine exact timing. I continue to use neem through the summer (but now with certain fermented herbal teas rather than liquid fish) on a 10 to 14 day schedule, again coinciding with any other specific spray needs. A late August spray on the later varieties finishes up the use of neem oil for the season here in northern New Hampshire.
Rates
Early season neem goes on at a 1% concentration when used as a beneficial fungal catalyst. The ground beneath the tree and the trunk (branch structure) are the primary recipient of this spray application. Little leaf tissue shows at half-inch green and it's generally quite cool, thus risk of phytotoxicity is low. One gallon of neem oil mixed with a half cup of soap emulsifier mixed into 100 gallons of water achieves the 1% concentration.
All subsequent neem applications are made at a 0.5% concentration. It's easy to overdo a hand wand application and then see leaf damage and even eventual fruit russeting. A half gallon of neem oil mixed with a quarter cup of soap emulsifier mixed into 100 gallons of water achieves the 0.5% concentration.
Spray Pointers
Raw neem seed oil will be anything but easy to spray unless you know the tricks of the trade. Due to its high levels of natural vegetable fats, unadulterated neem becomes as thick as butter at temperatures below 60°F. Planning ahead is a must when it comes time to spray: Place the container in a warm room (but not directly in sunlight) for a day or two until the consistency reverts to a homogenous liquid. Placing semi-thawed neem into a pot of warm water on cool mornings may be a necessary as a final step the day of spraying. An emulsifying agent can be any biodegradable soap. This must first be mixed directly into the neem oil; on the order of one tablespoon of emulsifier per 6 oz. of neem oil. Pour this oil/soap blend into warm water in a five-gallon bucket and stir vigorously before adding this mixture to the spray tank and its full volume of cooler water. Applications made every 10-14 days should prove entirely helpful. Be sure to clean your sprayer lines immediately afterwards.
Cost
Keep the multi-purpose aspects of neem oil in mind when evaluating what sprays are most justified in your budget. An acre of fruit trees under the full program outlined above calls for five gallons of neem oil per season. The "four key holistic sprays" alone require 2 1/2 gallons of neem oil per acre per season.
What Fun!
Supporting the arboreal food web and enhancing tree immune function involves more than just neem oil but this whole plant medicine is certainly at the center of the action. Scab control is impressive, and only using the absolute minimum applications of sulfur when primary infection risk is "beyond obvious" is downright healthy for the orchard ecosystem. And some years, given helpful weather patterns, it may not be necessary to use mineral fungicides at all to back up the holistic approach!
The neem tree shares its gift of
health with our orchard trees.
Pretty cool, eh? Neem applications made to the bark in early spring act somewhat like dormant oil in inhibiting egg hatch of soft-bodied insects like aphids and mites. Overwintering moth species in the larval and/or pupal stages are affected by these same trunk/ground sprays. Second generation moths are both repelled and suppressed by summer use of neem oil. Ground absorption, resulting from spraying to the point of runoff in a season long program, likely affects the larval and pupal stages of EAS, PC, and AMF as well. Population pressures are dropping in Lost Nation Orchard as a result of the ongoing use of pure neem.
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