Lighting Remote phosphor grow light.

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So, I've been looking around for more info into this led and can't seem to find more then a few company's that make a remote phosphor led. Transcend Lighting has a pretty nice setup on their D200 grow light, adjustable angles and what not. 230 watts of actual draw but out shines a 600 watt hps?.. Hey, if that's true, I'll buy 2 of those to replace a 1000 watt hps and have a higher par output and using half the watts.. Dose this sound crazy?. Besides being VERY pricy, anyone have experience with these phosphor leds?..
 
Very interesting, not seen these LED's before.
Looks like the same knda thing as the Grow Northern HS1 (I'm wondering if the holographic screen is phosphor coated?)
Both lights use the Philips Lumiled Luxeon Rebel LED's but the Transcend light also has Cree XLamp XT-e White LeDs
The Transcend Lighting page has downloadable data sheets and and testing reports.
Might take a while to read them but useful to have.



Found an interesting web site about phosphor LED's http://www.intematix.com/products/led-phosphors

Another interesting site - http://www.photonics.com/Article.aspx?AID=26085

How LEDs Produce White Light


There are two conventional methods of producing white light with LEDs. This provides underpinning information to understand how tuneable LED solutions are produced.

Conventional Method 1 : RGB Method


A mix of red, green and blue LEDs in one module according to the RGB colour model, white light is produced by the proper mixture of red, green and blue light. The RGB white method produces white light by combining the output from red, green and blue LEDs. This is an additive colour method which is often counterintuitive for people accustomed to the more everyday subtractive colour system of pigments, dyes, inks and other substances which present colour to the eye by reflection rather than emission. For example, in subtractive colour systems green is a combination of yellow and blue; in additive colour, red + green = yellow and no simple combination will yield green. Additive colour is a result of the way the eye detects colour, and is not a property of light. There is a vast difference between yellow light, with a wavelength of approximately 580 nm, and a mixture of red and green light. However, both stimulate our eyes in a similar manner, so we do not detect that difference.

RGB white gives you control over the exact colour of the light, and it tends to make colour “pop”. But RGB white light is hardware-intensive, since it requires three LEDs, and it tends to render pastel colours unnaturally, a fact which is largely responsible for the poor colour rendering index of RGB white light. Colour rendering learning page

*Colour rendering is the ability of a light source to reproduce the colours of various objects faithfully in comparison with an ideal or natural light source.*

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Conventional Method 2: The Phosphor Method


The Phosphor white method produces white light in a single LED by combining a short wavelength LED such as blue or UV, and a yellow phosphor coating. The blue or UV photons generated in the LED either travels through the phosphor layer without alteration, or they are converted into yellow photons in the phosphor layer. The combinations of the blue and yellow photons combine to generate white light. In some modules, the yellow phosphor is remote.



Phosphor white offers much better colour rendering that RGB white, often on a par with florescent sources. Phosphor white light is also much more efficient than RGB white. Because of its superior efficient and colour rendering (typically Ra70 to 85), phosphor white is the most commonly used method of producing white light with LEDs. Whilst colour rendering is good in the pastel shades, the spectral density is not close to daylight and there are problems rendering the more saturated colours such as red (R9). Read more about this in the section on colour rendering

In a typical phosphor white manufacturing process, a phosphor coating is deposited on the LED die. The exact shade or colour temperature of white light produced by the LED is determined by the dominant wavelength of the blue LED and the composition of the phosphor.

The thickness of the phosphor coating produces variations in the colour temperature of the LED. Manufacturers attempt to minimize the colour variations by controlling the thickness and composition of the phosphor layer during manufacturing.

Over time, the blue die and the yellow phosphor will degrade. This results in the delivered light shifting in colour. It will also produce unexpected colours if the device is operated at a different current or operating temperature.



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ChromaWhite™ Advanced Colour Mix Technology


ChromaWhite™ is an advanced colour mix technology using multiple LEDs in one module. The colour mix approach results in a highly efficient white light delivered to a specific colour point. The spectral density is closer to daylight (but does not emit UV or IR). The colour rendering matches or exceeds popular conventional sources such as tungsten halogen, peaking at Ra97. Colour rendering is excellent in pastel and saturated shades as well as skin tones. The challenging saturated reds (R9) is typically greater than 90.

ChromaWhite™ does not rely on a precise mix, instead usingColourLoc to monitor the delivered light and adjust it to the required colour point. This eliminates the problems of colour shift caused by degradation over life, variations in operating temperature and variations in current (usually when dimmed).

http://www.photonstartechnology.com/learn/how_leds_produce_white_light

Very interesting stuff indeed!

Is this the way of the next generation of LED grow lights, mass produce high output blue LED and use phosphor to fine tune the spectrum?

Mass producing the blue LED should bring down the price of the individual diodes and should in time make LED even more efficient and also cost less.
 
Arty. .. So according to the research, the phosphor cells will wear out prior to the blue LEDs?. If that is the case, I wonder how many hours we could get out of a phosphor coated panel?. This is in reference to the disintegration on the color spectrum.. I have a larger led panel, drawing a true 786 watts on 11 bands. I was hoping I could get 2 of those Transcend Lighting panels with a total draw of 460 watts and get the same iu. or the same par output of my large led panel.. That seems a long stretch for 33% less energy on phosphor. It's a new technology and I was leaning to the double ended HPS bulbs but energy efficiency is huge to me. Wish I knew someone who would try this phosphor panel out on a run and see the yield. Open to suggestions....
 
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