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[Dark Matter]

When talking about forces acting on the craft you travel in... would it be an idea to work out a device that would bend light around the front of the craft and surely this would have an effect on the weight issue? Less friction acting on it? Maybe I'm wrong.. I'm thinking out the box maybe to much.

 

[gradolabs]

Heard about serpo.org?

Nah, but I'll check it out.

 

[gradolabs]

When talking about forces acting on the craft you travel in... would it be an idea to work out a device that would bend light around the front of the craft and surely this would have an effect on the weight issue? Less friction acting on it? Maybe I'm wrong.. I'm thinking out the box maybe to much.

Photons are massless... unless I'm mistaken, so it's not an issue. Dust could be a problem though. Like the ring of trash and broken satellites floating above earth. NASA has to track all of the debris so it can position it's working stuff around that. Most of it reenters the atmosphere and burns up, but whatevers floating up there is going really really fast and even a grain of sand could punch a hole in plate steel. And here you thought space was empty.

I dunno... most propulsion systems operate on newtons first law... equal and opposite reactions and whatnot. But in space there's very little to push off of... so we'd have to find a way to push or pull spacetime to get around unless you like floating forever.

And the problem with multiverse travel is... well, I've grown close to this universe... and I dunno if I want to leave it behind. They might shake hands differently in another universe or drive on the wrong side of the solar system. Worth a shot maybe, though.

 

[epenguin]

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[late]

When talking about forces acting on the craft you travel in... would it be an idea to work out a device that would bend light around the front of the craft and surely this would have an effect on the weight issue? Less friction acting on it? Maybe I'm wrong.. I'm thinking out the box maybe to much

Congrats, you just invented Warp Drive.

When can I expect delivery?

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And the problem with multiverse travel is...

That some of those other Universes will be different enough that you can't survive there.

 

[oldster]

Photons are massless... unless I'm mistaken,

I dunno... most propulsion systems operate on newtons first law... equal and opposite reactions and whatnot. But in space there's very little to push off of... so we'd have to find a way to push or pull spacetime to get around unless you like floating forever.

You are correct that photons are massless otherwise they could not travel at the speed of light.

Propulsion has nothing to do with "pushing" against anything, it is all about equal and opposite reaction. The issue is as speed increases close to light speed mass increases as well which means the amount of energy required to move the mass increases. As you approach light speed both mass and the energy to move it become infinite.

My thinking is that intergalactic travel would require some way to warp dimensions so that you could go from point A to point B without the need to travel faster then light

 

[namvet25]

Epenquin,you might want to step away from the weed for awhile.

 

[gradolabs]

Epenquin,you might want to step away from the weed for awhile.

I don't think that would be good for our fine feathered friend. He needs his herbs and fishes.

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That some of those other Universes will be different enough that you can't survive there.

I experience this phenomenon whenever I'm in an unfamiliar place. But you're right... the entire canon of physical laws could be radically different. Everything from fundamental forces to elementary particles. I depend heavily on a lot of conservation principles, i.e. things being universally homogeneous. Imagine my surprise/demise when I step foot into a world of antimatter.

Like I said, I'm rather attached to this uni. I might still have to get around though and learning about the limitations of space travel seems like a good start.

 

[az2000]

Multiverse travel is very possible and relate directly to multiple dimensions.

What is mind-blowing about this to me is when we look down from our 3-d world to a 2-d world.

If we imagine a 2-d world (a plane with only width and length) populated with "flatlanders," height would be inconceivable to them. If we bent (curved) their world into a cylinder flatlanders would experience infinite length (or, they would return to the same spot each time they trotted off in a single direction). It would be completely unexplainable to them, and yet a fundamental part of their 2-d world. An attribute of the 3-d world which we never even think about, and yet unfathomable by flatlanders.

To me, that's humbling. Consider how inconceivable the 4th dimension is to us. Yet, it could be as simple and real as the 3rd dimension. We're just ignorant "moment landers" whose 3-d world is made possible by time.

Think about how 3 dimensions makes no sense without time. We can't perceive depth (3d space) without the time delay of light reaching us at different times (from nearer, farther objects).

Yet nobody can explain what "time" is. It's a fundamental element of the 4th dimension (in the same way height is fundamental to the 3rd dimension, and allowed us to bend a 2d world into a tube, completely unimaginable to the 2d flatlanders).

So, imagine if a 2d world was curved almost into a tube, where the left and right edges of that world are just a nanometer apart. Flatlanders could stand at the edge of their world and never realize that if they just stepped across, they'd jump to the other edge of their world.

It's likely that we're just as ignorant of such capabilities regarding the 4th dimension (and 5th-10th dimensions). Such phenomenal capabilities (properties of the universe) might be right next to us, yet we can't see it.

For example, electrons (the particles that spin around atomic neutrons) exist in many places at once. We're made up of atomic particles. Does that mean we exist many places at once? (Getting into multiverse theory.).

When I consider how different our lives our today compared to 30 years ago, it makes me wonder what breakthroughs the next 2-3 generations will experience. I can't imagine living without immediate access to information/communication (internet). What will today's 5-year-olds view as unimaginable 50 years from now?

 

[gradolabs]

Kinda like before a wave hits, the water level sinks a few inches... that's the principle that allows people to surf.

If we could distort the fabric of space time in front of a vehicle, there might be a way to ride a wave from one galaxy to another. I don't think we'd have to go as far as micro black holes for hood ornaments, but that kinda sounds crazy enough to work.