Lighting Suspicious wattage?

its not illegal to use electricity just pay for it.

^this definitely. I emailed an energy company in the UK and they told me that the only way that they would release usage data to the law is if the law requested it "as part of an ongoing investigation". They did say that a warrant was not required. This indicates to me that it would take a certain suspicion or other corroborating evidence preceding it in order for them to waste this time to request information on a specific property. I would worry about smell or light escaping rather than the footprint of a few lights. Always pay your bills and don't steal electricity or anything else for that matter, this is sensible 101.
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I know this is kinda old but where im at if you pay your bill they probably wont care. My neighbors with a similar style house use about 2x more electric than me and thats even with my 600w running. A few things to help offset the watts used are
1: Change lights in house to CFL. It really does help!
2: Turn your water heater down. If you have it set high it could be almost constantly running. Plus you dont need 150*F water for a shower.
3: Switch up your usage times by the season. During summer i have my light on during the day. Looks like the AC is working. During the winter I run my lights at night. Looks like the heater is running.

Every grow bust in my area I see are either from bragging or stealing power. Id say 9/10 bust are from stealing power. What they do is they "trace" the block usage of a neighbor hood and then match it to the "billed" household usage. If the number are off substantially then they start it investigate. They also have meters now that they infrared your lines coming to your meter and if you are drawing a lot of power it will be hot. If its hot and you are only using 1kw they are probably going to be coming to take a better look.
 
I pay 26 dollars a month for a "outside light" fee every month that allows me to run a 150 watt MH outside my home because its so dark. they came installed it and it runs all night turns off in the day.

I shot the bulb with a BB bun 8 months ago!!

:Haha:my company is privately owned and as long as i pay i have no worries..
 
Thx u made a lot of sense wat i kinda gather from that is u feel aslong as there isn't any suspicion around the house giving police reason to call em there shouldn't rely b any reason the electric company shud contact the police, it was gonna b as I move so the place has been empty for months n would just b for the first 2 months then shut down so short time span shud would in favour however u say u feel 2kw is quite huge? I was thinking 4x600w hps as it was but was hoping to have sum responses that make me feel comfortable with 6x600 or 4x1000 although 4000w does sound massive to me and why I wanna look into it a lot more, thx a lot for ur reply

How big is your grow room? 1 600watt HPS ( or 2 300 watt LED ) will more than adequately cover a 4'x4' ( 1.2M x 1.2M )
 
I know this is kinda old but where im at if you pay your bill they probably wont care. My neighbors with a similar style house use about 2x more electric than me and thats even with my 600w running. A few things to help offset the watts used are
1: Change lights in house to CFL. It really does help!
2: Turn your water heater down. If you have it set high it could be almost constantly running. Plus you dont need 150*F water for a shower.
3: Switch up your usage times by the season. During summer i have my light on during the day. Looks like the AC is working. During the winter I run my lights at night. Looks like the heater is running.

Every grow bust in my area I see are either from bragging or stealing power. Id say 9/10 bust are from stealing power. What they do is they "trace" the block usage of a neighbor hood and then match it to the "billed" household usage. If the number are off substantially then they start it investigate. They also have meters now that they infrared your lines coming to your meter and if you are drawing a lot of power it will be hot. If its hot and you are only using 1kw they are probably going to be coming to take a better look.
I would like to add go with led lights instead of floro's they save even more money and are usually garuanteed for ten years and are shatter proof. I have a 60 watt equvalent led running on 7 watts and is brighter than a 100 watt incadesent
 
What was the square footage of the space again?
 
I would like to add go with led lights instead of floro's they save even more money and are usually garuanteed for ten years and are shatter proof. I have a 60 watt equvalent led running on 7 watts and is brighter than a 100 watt incadesent


Your quite right! LEDs are the way to go for conserving some energy. My 370watts total, actual wattage give me the same footprint, 4'x4', as the 600 watt MH I used previously. 30% less power usage and 30% less heat. Current grow LEDs, even the cheap ones, are reliable and work well for growing indoors.
 
Buy a hundred wall plug vibrating dildos and have them on timers in your living room and have most of them to go on when dark period is on the plants

Element suspicious electricity use and drowns out the sound of the grow, if police comes and asks about electricity use then point to the dildos and tell them its art


BAM ... problem solved
 
I was forced to go led because of this... $$
 
Salutations Learner,

...would like to ask fellow members hopefully with experience with serious watt usage...

Appologies. The thread's announced topic says "Suspicious" content, so what if one could be suspected of being such a person?...

:biggrin: :greencheck:

I mean you know how paranoïd some people will become as soon as "marihuana" is evoked, right?... It doesn't matter that one's past projects had been aimed at the total opposite on the spectrum: i wanted a couple dwarfs on a window-sill but the spider mites will eat them! So, to make it brief i was surprized to some degree when i read the description of an indoor cannabis cultivator...

How much can we actually pull without arousing any suspicion...

Read the User's Manual!! Ha! Ha! Seriously, it's on-line. I've checked for some information on those data-logging meters we got around here in my little remote city of Québec, Canada. The meter is marked something like 15 minutes intervals and 5 minutes sub-intervals, it has the ZigBee logo, etc. And those clever devices can measure simultaneously at least 3 parameters that i could find by reading some of the available documentation: voltage, current and phase. That's right, but if i got it figured out correctly this means the sampling rate of their 3-channel electric meter would be extremely low compared to CD-Audio, for example. The minimum interval being 5 minutes i've come to hypothetise it must be a sign that 3 readings can be accumulated and then transmitted 4 times an hour - e.g. as 12 hourly packets possibly. That's a rate of 12 samples every 60 minutes, or for every 3600 seconds... Which result into a sampling frequency of 0.003 Hz, if i got it correctly, euh... CD-Audio is 44100 Hz if i'm not mistaking. So, that's not like a microphone had been installed at all and yet i find it offensive because it's not just generating billing data, one way or another!

:nono:

At the basis it seems the theory was that this can help consolidate power grids, reality though requires a contrasting description i fear.

In any case i simply wish to point out that even with a sampling rate as low as 0.003 Hz (when our CD players are 44100 Hz) it doesn't mean there's no supplementary data to be extracted as "events", on the time axis. More clearly what i'm implying is that those new meters are like Bell's telephone lines based on 20 mA current loops, except in this present case the current is rated in amperes while we all know this system worked reasonably well for about a century!! And they got amperes to measure... Now with anything connected to a timer the owner is actually generating a time-coherent signal which will amplify itself easily since it has the precision of a metronome. Consider they got the sensor(s) and the channel(s), digitized right ahead on the wall. That should sound like a deterent enough, especially in the home-country of our dear Commonwealth i would argue!

:shrug:

Quite frankly my opinion is that the reader looking for a really low-profile solution will probably end up buying LED assemblies and i just hate the idea of such complex contraptions in cultivation environments. Not to mention the cost and lack of flux on top of that.

In addition, as if it wasn't sufficient, i'll compound it all with the 24 h/d schedule since i'd personally advise against generating "events" if one can help it. The lesser the better i would believe... On/off sequences over an 80 days period will make you detectable beyond planet Mars i guess! MouHa! Ha! Oh, and not just one 600 Watts units, no sir!! There gona be many!!

:pop:

Hummm... Have you by any chance ever considered using an A.M. radio as found in old cars? If not it's time to find one and move around a cannabis culture installation with it in an attempt to determinine some Detection Range. I'll bet you can "hear" it (litterally!...), once standing on the sidewalk.

But i suspect YMMV.

In any case if that works then a trio of A.M. radios will allow triangulation from the sidewalk, i would conclude, and if that's the case then maybe it would be a good idea to think of a solution to RFI "noise" potential issues. Personally i'd favour an hybrid scenario inspired of green-houses with a light supplement (remove as much load from the grid as possible), but under the recent context i'm now convinced 24 h/d with a modest session consuming no more than some old computer left on indefinitely may be the only option left. After all these can be refurbished to serve as customized routers, whatever, etc... It sounds plausible. But many 1 KW units turned into a beacon?... I see no way you can hide that indefinitely. The idea sounds gross to me at best, as far as i'm concerned i wouldn't want to do something like that anyway! Lucky you, i envy such luck somehow!! It's quite a satisfying hobby, isn't it?

:goodluck:

...all advice, experience or links...

That's the problem i have: i got no such 1st-hand experience, e.g. being arrested over a cannabic cultivation space - and i'll avoid it because this has been declared a monopoly by government in Canada last year and they won this war, so far. Yet i think you should be worried that there's the human factor playing in your favour but the machines will continue to record relentlessly, nonetheless. IMO that calls for some form of rationalisation if you wish to remain low-profile... But that's only me! Which doesn't mean you can't ask about similar considerations when people who do have the required experience provide the expected advice...

...if possible feel advice from a uk grower pulling above that wattage would b ideal obviously...

My hope is that you'll have plenty of these, actually i remember now that you already have. Sorry, i didn't read through it all i must confess! My customized HA contration can feel heavy at times...

Anyway. Good day, have fun!! :peace:
 
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