New Grower TheSpacePope "Just Wingin It 1st Grow JournaL" organic Bubblicious and Blue mystic

[The Squid]

80s is rather broad. 80 what?
I don't quite understand why your temps are so high using LEDs and a vortex fan. What are your temps outside the tent?
Where are you exhausting your air to, same room?
A Ph of 7 is too high, bother. I would say there's your issue right there. And on top of high temps then you're getting the claw droopy. Also, seems as if you are over-watering. They aren't big enough for 'full' waterings yet. I plant in 2L bottles/cartons pre-watered. Plant dry bean straight in and I just spray a bit for about a week or so, then can give a more 'full' watering.

 

[Shadowbuck]

Yea squid has a good point about the ph/claw goin on. If possible, next time you water, collect some of the runoff out the bottom of the pot and test that. That usually will give ya a pretty good indication of what it is in your medium.

I know ur aware of this, but ur mix ur using in ur pots (roots organic for drip system...i believe i seen u post about that somewhere...and the topsoil) may not be suitable for what your trying to do. This might give ya some probs down the road. For example it looks like it has an awfully rocky/perlite'y consistency which would be ideal'ish' if you were using a drip system for that type of grow. But your not. So even if you get over this little issue you MAY (but I can't say for sure) have issues down the road. I would think that when ur plants are larger and in flowering they would be going through a lot of water/nutes as I don't think that medium ur using would hold much water/nutes in it. I could be wrong, but if I was in your position I would strongly consider walking away from the investment in that Roots stuff and consider a nice, cheap pre-mix organic potting soil (other than miracle grow). For example I just picked up some of this promix ultimate organic in a 1cuft bag for under 7 bucks a bag at a local big box store:


Yea the jiffy pots are misleading bro. They make fantastic claims of magically dissolving in the ground and not restricting roots and blah blah. Well in my experience they've never lived up to the hype...at all. Here's an alternative I picked up at the same big box store for 1.50 a six pack for 4.25" coco coir pots which is stupid cheap. "Planter's Pride Fiber Pots". <That particular brand for whatever reason seems to be very thin and very very porous compared to other brand fiber pots (that are too thick) and I think would perform the magical claims that the jiffy can't deliver on. I posted about these in the outdoor forum in a thread entitled "Anybody tried these. Fiber pots?". I have more pics of them in that thread. Im actually going to try these for all my outdoor transplants this year...that's how confident I am that they will perform as advertised.



Now it's entirely your grow and your show bro. But IMO, for under 10 or 15 bucks depending on if you need 1 or 2 bags of soil, the above suggestions would be a very cheap fix and go a long way to getting your stuff back on the right track.

IF you were to decide to do that I would recommend just filling up the coir pots with some of that promix ult org (after u premoisten it), then dig out a hole in the center about 3" wide and 3" deep in the promix filled coir pots, then carefully and gently scoop up ur seedlings out of the mix they are in. Transplant the seedlings WITH some of the surrounding mix they are already in (id say around 1.5" on either side of the stem and about 3" deep) so as not to disturb any roots. Give a light watering and ur done.

I would not have even bothered to type all that up if I didn't honestly believe you (and ur plants) would thank me for it down the road.

Peace
-Shadowbuck

 

[The Squid]

Excellent info. I thought it was a strange mix to begin with, but hey. To each his own, to a point at least. We can just try trying that Ph and temps with what you got for now, but Shadow's advice is rather solid and do-able. But that mix you got, Shadow may not be available for him. Although other better mixes will be and he can still do the same thing you said. I say it's worth a shot to try and straighten out what we got so far now, though.

 

[TheSpacePope]

Excellent info. I thought it was a strange mix to begin with, but hey. To each his own, to a point at least. We can just try trying that Ph and temps with what you got for now, but Shadow's advice is rather solid and do-able. But that mix you got, Shadow may not be available for him. Although other better mixes will be and he can still do the same thing you said. I say it's worth a shot to try and straighten out what we got so far now, though.

yeah i knew it was a long shot to begin with soil ph was way high, i was just trying to salvage the soiless mix, instead of scraping it hence the cheapo Topsoil (lesson learned), just got back from the store and i am heeding you and Bucks advice and am scraping the soil, picked up Roots organic potting mix the "orignal" mix (really want the pro-mix organik,but not avail. in my area), also stopped by organic store and picked up worm castings and perlite since most say you need to amend it, but i will wait for a response not to mess up this mix inregards to the ratios i know WC is no more then 20% so id be right around 15%, IDK on perlite???:buds: thank you again squid and shadow buck

80s is rather broad. 80 what?
I don't quite understand why your temps are so high using LEDs and a vortex fan. What are your temps outside the tent?
Where are you exhausting your air to, same room?
A Ph of 7 is too high, bother. I would say there's your issue right there. And on top of high temps then you're getting the claw droopy. Also, seems as if you are over-watering. They aren't big enough for 'full' waterings yet. I plant in 2L bottles/cartons pre-watered. Plant dry bean straight in and I just spray a bit for about a week or so, then can give a more 'full' watering.

how hot is hell? lol jp vary from 79-86/87 i know thats why i hauled it to get ice, its not the tent it only jumps by 4-5*max with light on its my house its all low 80s inside. exhaust about 4ft away but yes same room since its a passive intake, i wanted to do aggressive but i lack help im doing this on my own and lifting the fan and balancing it with the CF and duct silencer is a act ill reserve for circus clowns. id ask for help but where i live its a bit unfriendly in general to other people never the less asking for help.like London or NYC that big city im a ahole attitude.

 

[The Squid]

Good idea. I wouldn't add anything to that Roots original. Not sure what's in it, but it may be a little hot too, not sure. You'll still need to get your feeds Ph to 6.5 for that soil and with that soil-less more like 6.2-6.3.

Anything above 85 for an extended period can cause issues. Not always, but can. But I think most of your issues were with the Ph. You need a good digital meter and some Ph down. I know you said you're 'wingin it', but that's only gonna get you so far with growing anything of good quality. Not sure of the perlite % in the Roots Original either, but another 10% or so wouldn't hurt.

 

[Shadowbuck]

I would not amend the roots original with anything. I've never used it but the stuff is specifically formulated from roots to be a good, general, all purpose potting mix. Adding things like worm castings now won't bring ya any benefit as roots should already have enough nutes in it to grow ur babies just fine for the first 2 weeks at least. Trying to add perlite now may throw the drainage/water retention outta wack as roots should have plenty of perlite in it already. Its made to use out of the bag. If ya mess with it now ya might just create more problems that will be nearly impossible to undo or diagnose and correct. Just use it straight from the bag for ur seedlings when u transplant them. If ya wanna get brave and try to amend with this and that then do that later after ya read up a bunch on the concept and different ratios of soil mix recipes and find out more about the roots mix in detail...like what its lacking or rich in or what you might want to put in it to compliment it. Then after ur plants are nice and healthy and have chilled out from the recent stress then try some of the amended mix...like as in, do that when u fill the pots that they will be finished in. They are far too young and small though right now to get any real benefit from amendments and the risk of possible mistakes is high...especially with seedlings as they are pretty unforgiving when lil babies. But get em happy and content in some reg old potting mix and they will soon take off with new growth. Good Luck bro keep us posted how it goes for ya! :smokebuds:
Peace
-Shadowbuck

 

[TheSpacePope]

only been about 6hours since they went in their new homes extreme light water(just enough to dampen) 6.5-6.6 vinegar (organic ph down), and the BUB already has new growth!gaining by the hour :drool:, think BM are gonna need sometime to bounce back tho

thanks again shadowbuck and squid

 

[Shadowbuck]

only been about 6hours since they went in their new homes extreme light water(just enough to dampen) 6.5-6.6 vinegar (organic ph down), and the BUB already has new growth!gaining by the hour :drool:, think BM are gonna need sometime to bounce back tho

thanks again shadowbuck and squid

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Heck yea man! That's what we like to hear! :booya:Sounds like that BUB was just WAITING to start a growth spurt. Good deal! And ur def welcome bro, just glad to hear things seem to be turnin the corner for ya! And quick too!
:thumbs:

 

[The Squid]

Awesome, THAT is what makes it worth it right there, among other things. Glad we could help, and we aren't going anywhere if you need us again, just holler...or type rather..

It's all about Ph and timing IME, bro.

 

[TheSpacePope]

took a pic after got home from the pub, 6hours after transplant, BUB has no Shock to speak of. PIC just for Squid and shadowbuck, hard to tell in pic but compared to pre transplant, grew approx 1/2 in or more in 6 hours. deff wider and bolder.
pic 1 pre transplant View attachment 205239PHOTO 2 after 6hour in new homeBUB LIKEY

BM in 5gal is going back to original green and bouncing back, i think adrian from the jiffy is gonna need some time tho