Mephisto Genetics Whats the trick/technique to getting tall, stacked colas of bud?

Hey lunarman, great answers, looks like you're solid in all areas, though I'll continue the discussion from last night.:
What's your grow room environment? Closet, tent, micro, etc.
8x8 tent in an insulated garage in a northern climate. I have inline fan for fresh air. And I exhaust with inline fan with ducting that goes to vents up in the roof of the garage and not back in to the garage that I get my fresh air from.
That's a big tent but it sounds like you've got a good plan to keep ventilation under control. More comments further down.

Dirt? Hydro? Coco? Hempy?
Tried dirt but got bugs. Tried all coco/perlite and struggled with it and PH and calmag. Now I use 50% coco that has EWC, Biochar amended in. And 50% HP Promix. And to all that I add in 30% perlite. I grow in small 8 liter pots in an autopot system.

I'm not a dirt fan either, admire those who do but for me it's too much flying blind. With hydro as long as I keep pH under control I know exactly what my plants are receiving. You mentioned problems with coco - the key is pre-treating with cal-mag. If you do that a week or more in advance of starting your grow, practically all problems go away. A lot of growers love the autopots for their flexibility and effectiveness; they are a very good system. But in general, regardless of your grow medium, smaller pots (8 liter) will be better when your grow style leans to SOG / SCROG - a greater number of plants in a smaller area. If you are growing for huge colas then bigger containers with less plants is a bit more effective. But at the end of the argument, total yield is higher with greater # of plants. If you decide to go back toward pure coco, I would recommend a read through one of Nosias grow thread. He does an excellent job of documenting his exact nute regimens using coco autopots.
Temps maintained during lights on and off?
Lights on 24 hrs. temp average is 25C. RH average of 35%.
What's your low/high range for temps? Too low or too high can still have ill effects. And I'm not a fan of 24/0 lighting. Auto's will tolerate it, and you may get slightly faster grow times, but it's not linear to the extra lights-on time. Plus it makes heat control more difficult, and (my biggest objection) it is harder on your equipment. LED's claim a 20 year lifespan but that's B.S.; they DO fail much sooner when no daily cool down cycle is allowed.
What's your nutrient regimen and feed methods? Additives?
Was using tangs Easy schedule of Advanced Nutes. Sensi Bloom A and B and carboload and overdrive. I just switched to Green Leaf MegaCrop, their calmag, Sweet Candy and Bud Explosion. Following the schedule everyone is using for Megacrop.

I'm not familiar with that nute brand so I'll just have to caution some generalities. Autopots are as much an automated watering system as they are a hybrid hydro type feeding system. Traditional dirt grows use drain-to-waste, and with that then 50% nute strength is highly recommended. Pure hydro systems support a stronger regimen. If there's any downfall in autopots it's the ability to monitor uptake of nutrients. It can be done, but it's not as simple as DWC, RDWC or other pure hydro methods. You can try to monitor in the reservoir but I don't feel that is as accurate of a representation of what's actually in the root zone of the plant at the "other" end of the system. But try to monitor ppm's to help determine what a plant wants; i.e. if ppm's go down she wants more nutes; if it goes up your strength is too strong. With your system, you'll need to pay closer attention to the plant's growth characteristics. If leaves are too deep green, too much N. If pale / light green, not enough N.
Cal-Mag - if you are using hard water, less supplementation is required. If you're using RO, a minimum of 4mL per gallon is needed, perhaps more if your micro nutrient bases do not also contain cal-mag. A silicon supplement will also help your plant establish stronger trunks and generally guard against stress. 2mL per gallon is plenty.
Humic / fulvic supplements also have a place in your nute regimen. Not sure if Green Leaf offers one? I use General Hydroponics Diamond Nectar and it has greatly improved my yields and bud density. Check out that or comparable from your vendor.


Are you monitoring ppm & pH religiously? There are differences depending upon grow medium.
I was not monitoring when using AN Sensi since its PH Perfect. Didn't need to. But with Green Leaf I am back to monitoring for now. I aim for 6.0 since I'm using coco and peat.
I have some serious heartburn with AN. Nothing against their product - I think it's fine. But the owner of the company is a raging asshole. When he brought his product to market he spent all his time bashing other vendors' products and trashing how they were overpriced and ineffective. I'll never give any asshole a single cent of my money. Hell, ALL grow nutes are overpriced, but I pay for the convenience and quality control of not having to mix my own. But back to task - I have never used the product, therefore I do not quite understand how their pH Perfect claims work. To be blunt, I don't trust it. The main ingredients of any nutrient regiment that affect pH are calcium & magnesium, and silicon is highly reactive as well. And virtually ALL nutrient salts - N, P, K - and many micronute elements - have an effect on pH. As long as a plant is uptaking nutrients I don't see how any secret formula can assure stable pH.
Don't get me wrong - my hydro grows maintain very stable pH throughout most of the plant's lifecycle. But everytime I change a formulation for a changing plant cycle, I watch it carefully. If I went too strong, the pH is going to come down. If I went too weak, it's probably going up. And if anything bacterial or biological is going on, pH shift is going to be one of the first clues. So even if you're using Virgin Stripper piss for a nute, I feel you still will need to monitor pH.


What style, brand and power light are you using?
I run 2 600 watt HPS lights in the winter in the tent when I need heat. The garage is not heated. Turn them off once we warm up. I have 6 autocobs from bigsm0 as well as my primary lighting and 2 more are in the mail. So in the winder I'm running a lot of light. Also running some UVB rays in the tent.
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I'm having trouble correlating this to actual light intensity. You have a big tent, but what is the actual grow canopy area of your plants? And I love the multi-light approach that autocobs offer for more concise coverage, but what is the actual power consumed by the autocobs? But here's a problem. Practically all lighting vendors discourage the use of watts as a measure of effectiveness for LED lighting. Conceptually, I agree it is not the best factor. BUT... and this is a huge giant fat-assed butt - the industry has not given us a standard measure by which all lights ban be compared. So regardless of how much they argue, until that happens, the only factor we have is watts consumed at the wall, spread over what grow area? So for example, six 150W COB's provide 900 watts. If that's spread over a 4'X4' grow area (16 sq.ft.) that's putting 56.25 watts per sq. ft. to your plant canopy. And six COB's are going to do a much better job of doing that evenly over the inner and outer portions of the canopy. And that's enough light for a quality grow using any type of light. But I don't know what your real #'s are? And if you're putting 900 watts across your entire 8X8 tent, you're underpowered.
You don't say what your total consumption and canopy size is, but look at it from that perspective. For example, I specialize in single - plant grows in a 5 sq. ft. tent, with LED lights that consume 325watts at the wall. That's 65 watts per sq. ft. Now the other factor for LED's, light intensity - i.e.. how close to the canopy? - can also come into play. You'll have to experiment with that. I can say, the closer to the canopy, the less the plants will stretch. Take a read of the thread I have linked at the bottom of this post & it will explain more. Plus I'd look forward to you contributing your results / specs to that study.
What's that all mean for growing big buds? A picture says it best. I've grown bigger. This came off a tiny plant that was over-powered with an LED too close to the canopy. At least that's my theory for now:

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I can't make any more generalizations about your grow area yet. Your original post indicated you wanted big buds, and they will be in your future. Maybe your setup is spot-on, you certainly have put some thought, time & money into it. Are you waiting for the right genetics? We'll see. Keep us posted.
 
Like everybody says, there is no real secret to gardening. Flowers, vegetable, weed, no difference. All they need is a good environment and as much LOVE as possible. Love is the strongest thing in this world and when you use it right, miracle can happen. Like this 4 foot man bear alien pig...

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Have a good smoke mates !!
 
Some great advice in this thread. And popping over to your Livers grow, looks like you’re doing well too :thumbsup:. Both of your gals look like they’re forming some nice main colas.
I’ll mimic some of what the others have said, focus on overall plant health and dialing in a grow style that works for you. Genetics will play the biggest factor in your bulging donkey dick hunt. All we growers can do is be the best stewards possible. Change 1 variable at a time and stay curious. You’re doing great! :d5:
P.s. I didn’t see anything about your h2o. The biggest single improvement in my grows came when I stopped using tap water and switched to RO.
 
Some great advice in this thread. And popping over to your Livers grow, looks like you’re doing well too :thumbsup:. Both of your gals look like they’re forming some nice main colas.
I’ll mimic some of what the others have said, focus on overall plant health and dialing in a grow style that works for you. Genetics will play the biggest factor in your bulging donkey dick hunt. All we growers can do is be the best stewards possible. Change 1 variable at a time and stay curious. You’re doing great! :d5:
P.s. I didn’t see anything about your h2o. The biggest single improvement in my grows came when I stopped using tap water and switched to RO.

Wow, no way. What was your tap water?

I keep seven 5 gallon bottles of store bought RO water in rotation that I use for my humidifier in the tent. It's super dry here so I run a big ass full size house humidifier in my tent. Keep it on low fan speed and low humidity (40% ish) but I need lots of RO water on hand for that. I was mixing my tap 50/50 with the RO but I was going thru it too fast. I went back to tap only (when I switched from Remo to AN) and it's been fine. The RO comes from the same city reservoir so the PH is the same as my tap (7.1) and the PPM is about 4. My tap water is again pH 7.1 and PPM is 140 on average. I just switched to Mega Crop from AN and I'll be looking at my tap water again and how it works with Mega Crop. But you know I never tried 100% RO. I might try that soon once I get comfortable with Mega Crop. I know all about the change 1 thing at a time from my audiophile days.

Thanks for looking at my plants and the positive vibes Seabass. The Sour Livers are my best plants so far. I know I am improving now. @slowandeasy helped me a lot offline.
 
Hey lunarman, great answers, looks like you're solid in all areas, though I'll continue the discussion from last night.:

Genetics are good. Meph and Sweet Seeds and Dutch Passion. Nice, very nice bud. What strain is that?

Ok, going to try and make sense with this reply. Your reply was full of nuggets and advice and insight. Its taking me a while to digest it all.

My canopy space in the 8x8 tent is 24 sq feet. The long dimension from front to back is 6 feet. The width of this garden is 4 feet. That space is a rectangle in the middle of the tent. And I grow 6 plants at a time in that space. Not filling up the tent with plants because I don't need that much product and I like space down the sides of the tent to walk, work, setup fans, germ station, keep water warm in buckets etc.

I have a SCROG setup bordering that space but I removed the netting and kept the frame in place because my plants and my skills are not ready for SCROG yet. I will get there one day. Once I learn how to shape and groom my plants properly.

And I should say my goal is not to grow the biggest colas. Its to have a plant that has a nice number of colas that are space out, level on top, but are a good 12 inches tall and just nice and dense and full. Not looking to break any records. Just a modest but nice looking plant.

I will reduce the light schedule once it warms up here. But right now I need the heat from the HPS fixtures.

I use GH Diamond Nector as well. I create teas basically and top water them manually in to the autopots once and a while.

What else? Man there is a lot of stuff going thru my mind right now. Lights. The autocobs are 3500K. And 55 watts each. So i have 630 watts now and another 100 coming next week over 24 sq ft. And 1200 watts of HPS at least during the winter.

I'll look at that other thread in a bit.

Closing this post by saying I get all the environment stuff is important and believe be I did something wrong and learned from it in every aspect. Screwed up lighting. Temp spikes. Bad PH. DIdn't know what I was doing with nutes. Over watering. It was all necessary things I had to learn by doing them wrong to start with. Now I think I'm at the point where I want to learn more about canopy management as in topping, LST properly, prune and defoliate when necessary, lollipop to reduce larf. And finally, thanks man. I appreciate the sharing of knowledge and insight provided above!

Edit to add, light management is also something I think about a lot. I play with my lights a lot trying to get them in the right place.
 
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Like everybody says, there is no real secret to gardening. Flowers, vegetable, weed, no difference. All they need is a good environment and as much LOVE as possible. Love is the strongest thing in this world and when you use it right, miracle can happen. Like this 4 foot man bear alien pig...

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Have a good smoke mates !!

I have to ask a question. It looks like you did not top that plant or even supercrop it. The dominant cola is what makes me think. your side branch colas look just about as impressive and large as the dominant. If you have to keep you light distance from the main cola reasonable so it does not burn or bleach, then how do those side colas get enough light intensity to grow so well? I would think they are not getting the same intensity so they should be a lot smaller. Maybe this is just overthinking it on my part.
 
My light setup is 12 cob divided in 3 bars with two attach points so I can adjust height and angle. I also adjust the height of each individual plant at the beginning of the flowering so the canopy is even for everybody and I also rotate each plant 180 degrees every 2-3 days so the branches that are on the side of the tent can taste the intensity of the middle of the tent... I think she like all those little attention because I only use simple leaf tucking and little lst on the first branch. Also the genetic come to play here, she was a very alien og pheno, big with a really funky rubbery rotten berry stench and taste. Strong hitter too, gets me shit face every time :crying:



Light setup...

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I forgot to mention that miss mbap got 2 cob bars just for her, one adjusted for her main cola and one for the side branches.
 
I forgot to mention that miss mbap got 2 cob bars just for her, one adjusted for her main cola and one for the side branches.
nice. to me that has to really help a plant

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