New Grower Al's Think Different Round 2 grow

[Duggy]

Good luck Albert..you wont go far wrong following Eyes..who grows very beautiful plants....:Sharing One:

 

[Eyes on Fire]

Yeah the layer technique is crap unless you using something thats a major feeder in a large pot with more buffers to help regulate the acids in the soil man.and yes if you wanna do photos dude?Noooo frigin problem man.my revs mix works just fine.the only difference is that I would use a blend either full strength stand alone soil cut 20% prior to planting of a mix right at medium or slightly less.I mean like 1 or 2 gallons TOTAL less in its entirety, with a plug(mellow mix cut by 50% with and organic seedling mix black gold or jiffys.Id use jiffys personally.but black gold is quite excellent mixed with it.,photo or auto is fine) but unless .They are thee same recipes as the revs ,right?no problem.i'll get mine going a cpl weeks prior to yours prolly and you hit me up when your ready and ill post as I go in sections from seedling,veg,transition and teas and ofcourse fully flowering and my custom teas and styles.I promise you I dont care about your conditions man,other than Hi heat or super low RH and no fans,you'll be fine man.dont sweat it.you'll see.gimme three months one time,once you make your soil as I say and i bet short of something really oddball,you'll have one of the best grows around imo man.now thats specific on T5 usage mind you.if your running anything else you'll possibly have to seek advise from other on that one,but Im not unfamiliar with em.

Hey Duggy!Thanks brother!just trying to get him his grow he is trying so hard to get right.with the same mix as i use and similar conditions,maaaan sign me up for that bud all frigin day long.I got a high heat grow n my plants look like crap but they are healthy and Im still certain they are gonna be puurty darned good too.esp in that oil i love so much LOL!

 

[Eyes on Fire]

Here ya go dude

I grew this for my first run last year in winter with the revs mix of the medium mix(using spag peat instead of coco coir) with an extra 4-6 gallons(TOTAL combined,2 soil-2spag peatmoss,and 1 of perlite.) of added organic soil perlite(cuz of Autos) and spag peat instead of coir.

For your photos your going to want either the true medium mix(spag peat'll be just fine,or coco if you prefer,spag is cheap i think lol) or add the extra soil perlite and 2 gallons more of casting instead of spag peat.thats all.simple.or if you wanted to get creative you could make the 20 gallon mix at fullstrength and cut prior to planting or if its a large pot just plug style your seedling mix and you'll be off to the races. here is my link to my 100% organic grow man.look around near the front you'll see me cutting my teeth with this stuff.the stuff Im using now is ok.its my make and design but its lacking.was great for awhile but PH man LOL!

https://www.autoflower.org/f5/100%-organic-grow-29883-76.html

 

[Albert Eimstoned]

Thanks for all the help, again. I'll get an inventory list of what I have so I can start cooking a batch for my next grow. Since it's a photo I'll just do one plant and top/SCROG it.

 

[Eyes on Fire]

Oh no problem man,your welcome.I ask one thing.well acouple actually,but find me on my organics thread please when you need something.I often just sit n listen to music n think grow thoughts LOL! I dont venture out atm. I have MS n other pretty serious issues man.but once you do that and understand I can be down for a cpl days sometimes(not usually over fall and early winter) Im going to do may very best to get you your grow you want and have tried getting.

Instead of buying several additives and mixing them(your ofcourse welcome to do that cuz Ill lend my thoughts if ya like)it would be most likely cheaper to buy organic soil Like Miracle grow organics line for 6 bucks a bag er so and medium perlite(nothing added,juuust perlite.no additives),casting(quality and freshness really counts here.So splurge if you can afford it.Im flat busted so you'll have that over me so in turn you could potentially have a better grow than myself.and either a decent quality bag of Spag peat or coco if ya prefer(2 cubic foot is more than enough for a few batches of soil) and buy a pack of the 5LB mix. for 20 bucks.if you have additives already.save them if you can(for teas n things).and get that stuff like in the begining of my thread I talk about here n there(mentioned previously above). and ill cook a batch with you for 40-50 days .and we will have a stellar grow.you may wanna go Autos man cuz a photo grow full veg topped is gonna be a big one man!!LOL!Wide really but tall n thick LMFAO you'll see.

once you have those few things to get yourself started,maaaan your going to flip out at how easy this is.and you'll understand as you watch the soil and plant do their thing in fair conditions with a decently fed mix.

Personally if you have some cash.I dunno and it aint my biz man,but Id buy 2 bags of Dr Earth soil,Black Bag as your organic soil base and good spagnum peatmoss,a bottle of 5-1-1 alaskan fish ferts,grand ma molasses unless you can get either blackstrap unsulphered,or Vitalabs 1:1 ratio dry blackstrap molasses and some liquid organic kelp.GS to be specific.its really not expensive piece mealed out.but like I said.once you have these things.duuuuuude.you'll see man,thats all I can say."AFN smoke out"

 

[Albert Eimstoned]

Ok man I just did an inventory and here's the rundown:

Manure Layer Blend (2.5 Quarts)
Mellow Mix (13.5 Quarts)
Vermicompost (15 Quarts)
2.1 Master Mix (~13 Quarts)
Dolomite Lime (6 lbs)
Great White Myco (exp 07/31/16, ~4 oz)
General Hydro CaMg+ (1 Quart)
All Purpose Veg Spike (1 lb) 8.6-3.5-0.5
All Purpose Flower Spike (1 lb) 5.85-4.57-2.00
Pure Power Spike (1 lb) 9.8-0.6-0.6
Flower Power Spike (1 lb) 6.5-5.25-0.75
High "N" Layer (1 lb) 9.37-0.35-0.37
New Roots Tea (3) Kelp Meal, Guano, EWC, Alfalfa Meal
Finishing Tea (4) Kelp Meal, EWC
Flowering Tea (2) Kelp Meal, Guano, EWC
Growth Tea (1) Kelp Meal, Guano, EWC, Alfalfa Meal
Unsulphured Molasses

So now you know what I'm working with. Now, knowing exactly what I have at my disposal how would you proceed? The bigger plant is going to need watering in the next day or so. The smaller one (which looks much worse) won't need watering for at least 3 or 4 days. I feel better now that I know a little more but I'm still freaking out a little.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I fluffed the lime into the outer rings of each plant yesterday.

 

[Eyes on Fire]

I just woke up a little bit ago.Gimme bout 30 minutes er so dude.get some food in me.But its the acids man have you treated her with the lime in the rings yet? and ill look at your stuffs n break it down for you and look more specificly at your materials.Thanks man!!brb in a short bit bro.relax.its the acids man and your PH,its a flatout hot mix.PH water like I siad to try n slow n stop it now with lime to slow it back over a few weeks man.the colors will stay like I said so they'll look kinda lame for a bit.unless ya wanna do a kelp foliar(which we both agree is not cool cuz yer smoking it) it really the only way your going to see any color in those leaves anytime really soon.that what happens when acids are out of balance within a living soil.too much blood meal.thats why Layering is crap imo.anywho ,bro.Imma smoke a small bit n eat me some blueberry oatmeal n get back to looking at your stuffs man.no sweat!!Be good due.

 

[Albert Eimstoned]

I just woke up a little bit ago.Gimme bout 30 minutes er so dude.get some food in me.But its the acids man have you treated her with the lime in the rings yet? and ill look at your stuffs n break it down for you and look more specificly at your materials.Thanks man!!brb in a short bit bro.relax.its the acids man and your PH,its a flatout hot mix.PH water like I siad to try n slow n stop it now with lime to slow it back over a few weeks man.the colors will stay like I said so they'll look kinda lame for a bit.unless ya wanna do a kelp foliar(which we both agree is not cool cuz yer smoking it) it really the only way your going to see any color in those leaves anytime really soon.that what happens when acids are out of balance within a living soil.too much blood meal.thats why Layering is crap imo.anywho ,bro.Imma smoke a small bit n eat me some blueberry oatmeal n get back to looking at your stuffs man.no sweat!!Be good due.

Sounds good man! Yeah I edited my post after you saw it. I fluffed (1) Tablespoon into the outer ring of each plant by hand. Take your time and enjoy your bud & breakfast!

 

[Eyes on Fire]

Ok bro.can ya answer these please?!Thanks

Ok dude,well first things first.when you planted in the mellow mix(seedling mix)was it full strength or did it look discolored or stunted in anyway?early,seedling and young sprout stages.?Cuz I used that some time back from TLO company he apparently shut donw.But when I used it it stunted and was too hot and spun everything out.I eventually had to cut mine by around 55% or 60& with jiffys seedling coco type of mix with no perlite.So if your seedlings were good then use it as is.

Manure layering mix sit to the side for now.

TLO vermicompost from tlosoils is prolly just fine. And your only planting like one or two plants right?like 2 Auto for example? what size pots are you wanting to use?I recommend #5 Pots or TRUE(not trade gallons,big difference) 3 gallon or 4 gallon.no bigger!3.5 gallons true would be perfect imo.but Im prolly a lil bias cuz thats what I use.but if ya got atleast a 3 gallon dirt pot or similar cloth pot that'll be fine too.anywho lol.

and at what strength is your 2.1 mix?is it the FULL strength mix?or was im mixed down?Cut with anything to make the medium mix? just curious cuz you can cut it if its a full on batch.but if its medium you should prolly invest in another pack and make the Medium mix cuz it'll serve you well when you wanna grow after you see what this does and ya wanna turn RIGHT around n do it again.so you shoud(IMO ofcourse) go buy the stuff Or attain the Medium Mix strength from the 2.1 master soil builders recipe.

Great whit eand Lime AWESOME!! you should invest in a bag of either Fungi perfects endo seed mix and/OR the BioAG VAm Endo 6 spectrum mix.just make sure its an Endo/Ecto Mix only of Mycos man.THAT is whats condusive to hooking a plant up with mikes man(Mycos,I call em Mikes LOL and Oscars for an ounce and an Elbow is a Pound in case ya hear me say that LOL!)

your cal mag suppliment..Is that the one the rev mentions?I think he was against Boi something or boitanicare's blend.which botanicare sucks imo anyways LOL! LMFAO!! Im bias to Equilibrium,But in all honesty WITH equilibrium and another more liquid is prolly best for versatility.but totally unnecessary though.so stick with whatcha got man.all good.

Your spikes sit to the side and store them ok cuz you'll not use them this greow most likely.I know ya got em so I may have ya break a TBspoon of one of them out at a later date.

Teas sit to the side for a bit for the time being.well go over them at a later date man. and the Mole is good.Blackstrap by chance??IF you can swing it man,but the Vitalabs powdered blackstrap1:1 ratio dry powder.unless you can get blackstrap.if not what you have is fine man not prob,just better stuff is well...Better LOL!

I think that cover it for the first steps.if you can answer those we should be off.Thanks man!!
"AFN smoke out""AFN smoke out""AFN smoke out""AFN smoke out""AFN smoke out"

 

[Albert Eimstoned]

Luckily I'm off of work for a few days so I have lots of time to get things down. I'm on page 13 of your Organics thread trying to make my way and learn a few things. Now to answer your questions:

when you planted in the mellow mix(seedling mix)was it full strength

full strength

did it look discolored or stunted in anyway?early,seedling and young sprout stages.?

The 1st grow I used the same mix and had 3 seedling start fine but acted kind of weird (grew horizontally for a while).
After that I planted two seeds that never grew.
This grow the seedlings did fine (maybe even great) except for the husks not coming off of the smaller plant (I call her The Gimp).

And your only planting like one or two plants right?like 2 Auto for example? what size pots are you wanting to use?

My tent is 24"x24" so two plants is about my maximum. I'm currently using 3 gallon smart pots (which aren't a full 3 gallon). I'd be willing to switch to whatever you recommend (money isn't really an issue to a point).

and at what strength is your 2.1 mix?is it the FULL strength mix?or was im mixed down?Cut with anything to make the medium mix?

The 2.1 mix was unaltered. I only used what came in the TLO Bundle.

you should invest in a bag of either Fungi perfects endo seed mix and/OR the BioAG VAm Endo 6 spectrum mix.just make sure its an Endo/Ecto Mix only of Mycos man.

I will look these up immediately!

your cal mag suppliment..Is that the one the rev mentions?

I can't remember, I'll do a search in his book and see if I can find it. I checked around here though and a couple of the mods said that it should be fine for TLO growing.

Your spikes sit to the side and store them ok cuz you'll not use them this greow most likely.I know ya got em so I may have ya break a TBspoon of one of them out at a later date.

Done.

Teas sit to the side for a bit for the time being.well go over them at a later date man.

Done. They seem to suck anyways as my teas never look like the ones in his book. The bubbles are small and it just doesn't look as full of life as it could be.

and the Mole is good.Blackstrap by chance??

It's Grandma's Molasses. I just looked for unsulphured, no idea if it's blackstrap. I'm almost out (probably have 2 tablespoons left) so ordering new molasses wouldn't be a problem.