Breeding F5?

[NorthernLights_420]

I'd like to reverse a blueberry female to pollinate and make seeds that are feminized. I got DJ Shorts blueberry. Is there a reason this is not already done? I cud only get regular blueberry seeds which is cool but I'd like to make them feminized. If I did reverse one what wud happen? Like what wud the seeds be classified as? Feminized F5 seeds instead of regular? Any possibility of the seeds having hermie traits if I reverse a F5? New to learning about breeding. I dont want to lose out on seeds of my favorite strain. I cud just use a male and make regular seeds. But I was wondering if itd be worth it or not to reverse a F5 female with CS or STS? Thanks for your help and time!

 

[Olderfart]

If you reverse a female, and use its pollen to make seeds on a second female of the same strain, you should produce good all feminized seeds. Whether you develop hermie issues will depend on the genetics of the strain, not the process of reversing. If the strain you are using is at F5, and other growers have not noticed herming problems, you should be good to go.

If you do crosses with separate strains, you could have more issues with herming or other recessive mischief that shows up, but sticking with two plants from the same stable strain should work great. If you decide to go with CS, have a look at my recent thread https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...dal-silver-generation-cheap-and-simple.80972/ It may have some useful information for you.

Good luck with it.

 

[Proph]

Most OG breeders only work with regular seeds. Dj short is one of those. He's never released a fem cross. Im sure many other people have reversed his gear and made fems.. Just not him personally.. Fem lines are definitely harder to work when done correctly.. But the answers to your questions depend on how you pollinate. If you reverse one female bb and pollinate the same plant, those seeds are called S1's or "selfed"(some use R1 or reversed but s1 is far more common).. They will be a mixed bag of mom look alikes. Some very close to mom.. Some worse, maybe even a few better, some mutants..

If you reverse one female bb and pollinate a separate female bb (like it's sister) that would be a brand new F1 bb fem cross that will express the dominate traits of both parents in about 50% of the seeds. There is no such thing as 100% female seeds, so anytime you are dealing with feminized seeds, you run a risk of plants herm'ing. Starting with two stable plants reduces that risk.

 

[NorthernLights_420]

If you reverse a female, and use its pollen to make seeds on a second female of the same strain, you should produce good all feminized seeds. Whether you develop hermie issues will depend on the genetics of the strain, not the process of reversing. If the strain you are using is at F5, and other growers have not noticed herming problems, you should be good to go.

If you do crosses with separate strains, you could have more issues with herming or other recessive mischief that shows up, but sticking with two plants from the same stable strain should work great. If you decide to go with CS, have a look at my recent thread https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...dal-silver-generation-cheap-and-simple.80972/ It may have some useful information for you.

Good luck with it.

What if you reversed a plant and let it pollinate itself? Verses reversing a different plant with it? Then dry and curing that bud then remove all the seeds and discard the bud since it's not recommended to smoke reversed plants. Hmmm maybe I'll just use a male I get so I dont lose the plant in the process. I dont want to lose out on any females either with only 4 regular seeds. I think I'll just keep a male and get lots of regular seeds so I dont lose my favorite strain ever. Then from there on out I'll grow a female and start cloning once I got a stock of her seeds. And then start breeding her with other strains and then more breeding with other projects I create with the Flo. I plan to make regular and feminized photos and will start breeding autos from my creations last until I get them stable.

 

[NorthernLights_420]

Thanks @Proph . You answered some of my questions b4 I cud post them. Lol. Good looking out!

 

[Olderfart]

What if you reversed a plant and let it pollinate itself? Verses reversing a different plant with it? Then dry and curing that bud then remove all the seeds and discard the bud since it's not recommended to smoke reversed plants. Hmmm maybe I'll just use a male I get so I dont lose the plant in the process. I dont want to lose out on any females either with only 4 regular seeds. I think I'll just keep a male and get lots of regular seeds so I dont lose my favorite strain ever. Then from there on out I'll grow a female and start cloning once I got a stock of her seeds. And then start breeding her with other strains and then more breeding with other projects I create with the Flo. I plan to make regular and feminized photos and will start breeding autos from my creations last until I get them stable.

Self pollenation, in my relatively inexpert opinion, increases the risk of recessive mischief, but if you only have four regular seeds, crossing with a sister of the same strain might prove tricky. Ideally, you want to start your stud plant a few weeks early, but with only 4 regular seeds, making that work would be a bit of a crap shoot. OTOH, you can always self a lady if you don't end up with two.

If you use pollen from a male, you will end up with lots of seeds, and you can do the reversed female cross later. Lots of options.

You don't need to cure seed bud, just leave the buds on the plant until the seeds are pretty much ready to drop out themselves. Then make sure the seeds are dry before storing. Opinions vary on using bud from a partially reversed and self-seeded female. Given that a lot of people actually drink CS solution for various claimed health benefits, I do not understand why bud with traces of CS is likely to harm you. I've also never seen data on whether any of the silver in a vaped or smoked bud actually gets into the smoke or vapor. Especially with vaping, it seems likely to me that most or all of the silver will be locked up in the vegetative tissue, not floating around in the vapour. But hey, whatever floats yer boat.

Good luck with it.

 

[Olderfart]

Thanks for the rep, much appreciated. It is nice to return the favors I have received here. This is a great forum, lots of knowledge and good supportive attitude.

One thing I didn't mention earlier is that if you use a separate stud and mom, you can get lots of seeds by just pollenating a couple lower branches of your mom, and using the rest of the plant to produce bud. You do not need to dedicate the whole mother plant to get your seeds. When you get to harvest, you can time cutting of the upper un-seeded branches according to trichome maturity, and leave the lower branches until the seeds mature later. To do this while controlling pollen well, you need to grow your stud early and keep it isolated from any other plants in flower while the stud is dropping pollen. I will be doing this in my current grow, at least that is the plan. Once the stud gets anywhere near dropping pollen, it will get frog marched off to a storage room under an extra DIY el cheapo light I put together for the purpose. Once I collect some pollen, the stud will be garbage bagged and disposed of. In theory, by the time I get my pollen, the mom will just starting to think about flowering. When the mom is ready, I will use a watercolor brush to apply pollen to just the branches that I want to make seeds with, and the other branches will be producing bud for me. As of this moment, the mom is at Day 1, and the stud is ~Day 23. So far, so good...

 

[Arthur]

Any possibility of the seeds having hermie traits if I reverse a F5?

Yes, Blueberry is known for carrying the trait. With anything Blueberry in the lineage, eyes open for nanners and keep the stressors to a minimum. It's not terribly uncommon to see.


CS plants are fine for edibles... CS orally is WAY different than burning and inhaling.

 

[HemiSync]

I'd like to reverse a blueberry female to pollinate and make seeds that are feminized.

Lots of sound advice above. One thing I did not see mentioned above is that if these are not autos, then why not take a few clones and as soon as they grow roots, put them into small pots, flip them, and start reversing. Smaller plant, less wasted nutes, spray the whole plant, and still gets plenty of pollen. Then when your female is ready start painting bud sites. You can do the same for the receiving female as in flip a clone early and pollinate it. You would be surprised how many seeds you can get off a small budding clone. I’ve seen as few as 50 and as many as 500. Not like you need thousands of them. :smoking:

 

[Olderfart]

Lots of sound advice above. One thing I did not see mentioned above is that if these are not autos, then why not take a few clones and as soon as they grow roots, put them into small pots, flip them, and start reversing. Smaller plant, less wasted nutes, spray the whole plant, and still gets plenty of pollen. Then when your female is ready start painting bud sites. You can do the same for the receiving female as in flip a clone early and pollinate it. You would be surprised how many seeds you can get off a small budding clone. I’ve seen as few as 50 and as many as 500. Not like you need thousands of them. :smoking:

Great catch. I missed the clone option. Too focused on seeds and autos! Your solution is perfect.