Green Dragon Tincture Question.

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Firstly thank you so much @archie gemmill @StickMan and @912GreenSkell for the heads up to the GDTincture. I had seen a recipe similar to this on a documentary I caught on Viceland.

This is right up the wife's alley and she is stoked.

My question being, what is the Everclears final presence in the end result? I am guessing the simmer diminishes the alcoholic property?
 
Original post by Cres from highrise seeds

The Definitive Green Dragon (Revised)

Here is the very successful result of a considerable amount of research into the elusive and magical Green Dragon.

This is a simple and efficient 4 Step process.

Requirements:
1/8oz high quality cannabis
2 oz Bacardi Rum or other high test 151 or stronger booze


Process Summary:

1. Chop cannabis very fine (coffee grinder works great)

2. Place in a shallow pan (a sheet of aluminum foil works great) and bake at 250F for 25 minutes.

3. Remove from oven and place cannabis in 2 oz of 151 proof rum (use a small wide mouth mason jar)

4. Simmer in a water bath for 20 minutes. Maintain temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture between 168 - 170°F.

5. Strain the mixture and store.


Dosage:
One milliliter (one full eyedropper) is very nice. Two puts you in space. But you must self-titrate (test it on yourself) as each batch will be slightly different. Effects take up to 1.5 hours to begin (at least in myself) and lasted for 5 hours (1 dropper) to 7-8 hours (2 droppers).

I place one eyedropper (1ml) of Green Dragon in a small glass. I then add a small amount of water (1-2 ml) and drink. Do this on an empty stomach for best results (about 20-30 minutes before eating a main meal is good).


Process details—references and rationalizations:
1. Chop the cannabis
More surface area gives means a faster and more efficient extraction.

2. Bake the cannabis.
This converts THCA to THC via a decarboxylation reaction.

In whole-plant cannabis, THC content is expressed as THCA (tetrahydrocannabolic acid) prior to decarboxylation into THC, which takes place when cannabis is heated in the oven, and smoked or vaporized ingestion. THCA is a mild analgesic and anti-inflammatory but does not have good affinity with our CB1 receptors, so in order to make a THC-rich tincture that has many of the same therapeutic effects as smoked ingestion (including rapid absorption, quick relief and ease of self-titration), we must convert the THCA in the plant matter into THC prior to extracting it through an alcohol soak. (from Vancouver Island Compassion Society http://thevics.com/cannamist.htm)

THC vaporizes at about 380°F. We want to heat the cannabis to convert THCA to THC, but keep the temperature under 380°F. That is why 325°F is used. Between four and five minutes your oven (and house) will start to smell very strong. This is the time to remove the cannabis from the oven.

Notice also that there is considerable misinformation regarding heating the cannabis. It is true that you don't have to heat it to extract both THC and THCA, but the amount of THC in whole plant preparations is relatively small compared to after decarboxylation of the THCA. So if you want to maximize the strength of your tincture you must heat the cannabis prior to extraction.

3. Use the highest proof alcohol available.
Where I live this is Bacardi 151. The more alcohol the more efficient the extraction will be.

4. Simmer the mixture.
This is one of the areas that seems to be most debated. Many guides call for placing the normal cannabis into the alcohol and waiting 2 – 6 weeks. The main concern with heating the alcohol is that it is “explosive” (not exactly true...it is however flammable).

The purpose of the simmering is to heat the alcohol mixture to improve extraction rates and efficiencies. Heating during extraction increases the motion of the molecules (basic physics/chemistry) and drastically decreases extraction times. The boiling point of pure ethanol is 173°F (78°C). We will use the water bath to heat the rum/cannabis mixture to just below the boiling point of ethanol.

Heating the alcohol mixture can be done very safely using a hot water bath. You will need an accurate candy or quick read thermometer. Place about 1 inch of water in a wide, vertical-edged pan (9” diameter x 3” high). Bring the water to a low simmer. The rum/cannabis mixture should be in a small (1 pint) mason jar. Do NOT cover the jar.

Put the thermometer into the mason jar and place into the simmering water bath. Bring the temperature of the rum/cannabis mixture to about 170°F. The alcohol should be just barely boiling.

You should have the oven fan on high. You will notice that any alcohol fumes are mixed with water vapor from the water bath and vented out the fan. This combined with the fact that you are trying not to boil the ethanol makes the process quite safe.

5. Strain and store.
When you are finished with the extraction you will be left with about 1oz of green dragon tincture after you have strained the extract. Notice that one ounce of the alcohol has evaporated. See the tips below for a good way to strain the tincture.

A standard eyedropper will transfer about 1ml (or 1 gram) of liquid. There are 29 milliliters in one ounce. So you should end up with about 30 or so full eyedroppers (30 milliliters) of Green Dragon.

The liquid should be dark brownish-green and smell like cannabis.

6. Dosage. Titration.
Everybody is different. It takes me between 30-90 minutes to feel the effects of Green Dragon (depending on how much food is in my stomach).

I had tried a tincture someone had made using the cold extraction method with the same amount of cannabis and found that 5 ml (5 full eyedroppers) did pretty much nothing.

Using my Green Dragon technique I find that one dropper will bring effects on in 30-90 minutes and last 5 hours with 1.5 hours of lingering aftereffects.

Two droppers gave me a "spiritual dose" (as strong as any brownie I ever had). Effects lasted 7-8 hours with lingering effects for 2 more hours.

This means that 1/8oz of good cannabis yields about 30-34 doses of tincture (1 dropperful is really all I need). :edible:
 
My question being, what is the Everclears final presence in the end result? I am guessing the simmer diminishes the alcoholic property?

It looks like green or brown booze....since you only water bath boil to half the original volume it is still very much a liquid. Taste....let me just say that you dont drink it for the taste!! I chug mine in a half glass of water, and follow up with a full glass of water. Tincture dehydrates you quite a bit so hit the fluids!!
 
Outstanding. Neither of us is much on drinking but this is of such a small volume that this will be of no consequence especially not where the relief to be had is the end result. Thank you so much for the information.
 
this is my attempt https://www.autoflower.org/threads/archie-has-a-bash-at-a-tincture.64769/ i havnt tasted or tried it yet,waiting on dropper bottles in the post to do the sublingually thing.and as im not medical just an illegal eejit my findings maybe of no use.
:pighug:
Medical or not is of no matter to me, this plant and all its wonderful uses prove on a second by minute basis that there is nor should be anything illegal about it. I'll be awaiting your findings!
 
@Simplicio @Root do you guys have any trick how to make green dragon more "tongue friendly"? Maybe mix it with water, olive oil? Will it mix together? Maybe add soy lecithin?
Hi @KonopCh
There is a variety of things you can do with tinctures once you get them to the strength you want.
:weed: Mix with honey https://www.autoflower.org/threads/roots-honey-tincture.65760/
:weed: Add to juice, tea, or whatever to make a nice cocktail
:weed: Make candy. I have make hard candy and gummy candy with reduced tincture
:weed: Put in capsules

Lecithin is an emulsifier which helps combine mixtures, and makes the cannabinoids be more bio available to your body.:d5:
 
@Simplicio @Root do you guys have any trick how to make green dragon more "tongue friendly"? Maybe mix it with water, olive oil? Will it mix together? Maybe add soy lecithin?
I mix mine in a shot of water or juice, then swish it around inside my mouth well for a min or two
The more mouth contact the better the subligal absorption will be.

Sublingual medications are orally disintegrating or dissolving medications that are administered by being placed under the tongue. These medications are transferred to the bloodstream from the mucous membranes in the mouth after dissolving, allowing for quick absorption that avoids the loss of potency which may come with first-pass metabolism in the stomach and liver.[1] Doctors may recommend sublingual medications to treat certain conditions, or if a patient has trouble swallowing or digesting medication. Understanding how to administer sublingual medication can help ensure proper dosing and efficacy of the medication.
 
@Root @STIGGY I meant mixing directly into a bottle. Yesterday I tried mixing with olive oil, but oil and alcohol doesn't mix - it's like a water and oil. So no go. Any other options? Just want that is mixed in bottle, not then in coke/coffee or whatever. So I can put directly into mouth without additional mixing.

And Root, do you have recipe for hard candies and gelatine gummies? Maybe I try this too.
 
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