@hippy71 yeah I thought there was too much sour too,went with AvT special,MBAP,creme bubbly and sour stomper.good news that the alien strain yields well.just have to see how I go with the rest,hopefully I'll get a nice balanced pheno on the MBAP,don't want too much of the tall Ripleys pheno.do you live in the UK mate,I could swap you a cpl of livers and cheese if you want??