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[h=1]Just trying to understand.
To my way of seeing a Hill Billy is a mountain dweller of the Eastern Mountain range/s of the United States and a Red Neck is a person who lives south of the Mason Dixie Line but who doesn't live in the mountains but farms the low lands.
It seems both terms refer to poor white people some who live in mountains and some who live in the lowlands and partly due to how far south you live. Am I on the right lines?
I am basing my assumptions on the following Wikipedia passages, I am just trying to understand as I am not a native of the USA & I find the regional differences very interesting.
Hillbilly[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about hillbilly as a slang term. For the subculture, see Poor White.Hillbilly is a term (often derogatory) for people who dwell in rural, mountainous areas in the United States, primarily in Appalachia, but also parts of the Ozarks. Due to its stronglystereotypical connotations, the term can be offensive to those Americans of Appalachian or Ozark heritage. "Hillbilly" first appeared in print in a 1900 New York Journal article, with the definition: "a Hill-Billie is a free and untrammeled white citizen of Alabama, who lives in the hills, has no means to speak of, dresses as he can, talks as he pleases, drinks whiskey when he gets it, and fires off his revolver as the fancy takes him." The stereotype is two-fold in that it incorporates both positive and negative traits: “Hillbillies” are often considered independent and self-reliant individuals that resist the modernization of society, but at the same time they are also defined as backward, violent, and uncivilized. Scholars argue this duality is reflective of the split ethnic identities in “white America." [SUP][1][/SUP]
[h=1]Redneck[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about redneck as a pejorative. For the subculture, see Poor White. For other uses, see Redneck (disambiguation).
The term redneck is chiefly used for a rural poor white person of the Southern United States. It can be a derogatory slang term[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[SUP][3][/SUP] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP]
By 1975, say Chapman and Kipfer, the term had expanded in meaning beyond the poor Southerner to refer to "a bigoted and conventional person, a loutish ultra-conservative."[SUP][7][/SUP] It is often used to attack white Southernconservatives. The term is also used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[SUP][8][/SUP] At the same time, some white Southerners have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[SUP][9][/SUP]
To my way of seeing a Hill Billy is a mountain dweller of the Eastern Mountain range/s of the United States and a Red Neck is a person who lives south of the Mason Dixie Line but who doesn't live in the mountains but farms the low lands.
It seems both terms refer to poor white people some who live in mountains and some who live in the lowlands and partly due to how far south you live. Am I on the right lines?
I am basing my assumptions on the following Wikipedia passages, I am just trying to understand as I am not a native of the USA & I find the regional differences very interesting.
Hillbilly[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about hillbilly as a slang term. For the subculture, see Poor White.Hillbilly is a term (often derogatory) for people who dwell in rural, mountainous areas in the United States, primarily in Appalachia, but also parts of the Ozarks. Due to its stronglystereotypical connotations, the term can be offensive to those Americans of Appalachian or Ozark heritage. "Hillbilly" first appeared in print in a 1900 New York Journal article, with the definition: "a Hill-Billie is a free and untrammeled white citizen of Alabama, who lives in the hills, has no means to speak of, dresses as he can, talks as he pleases, drinks whiskey when he gets it, and fires off his revolver as the fancy takes him." The stereotype is two-fold in that it incorporates both positive and negative traits: “Hillbillies” are often considered independent and self-reliant individuals that resist the modernization of society, but at the same time they are also defined as backward, violent, and uncivilized. Scholars argue this duality is reflective of the split ethnic identities in “white America." [SUP][1][/SUP]
[h=1]Redneck[/h]From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about redneck as a pejorative. For the subculture, see Poor White. For other uses, see Redneck (disambiguation).
The term redneck is chiefly used for a rural poor white person of the Southern United States. It can be a derogatory slang term[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP] similar in meaning to cracker (especially regarding Georgia and Florida), hillbilly (especially regarding Appalachia and the Ozarks),[SUP][3][/SUP] and white trash (but without the last term's suggestions of immorality).[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP]
By 1975, say Chapman and Kipfer, the term had expanded in meaning beyond the poor Southerner to refer to "a bigoted and conventional person, a loutish ultra-conservative."[SUP][7][/SUP] It is often used to attack white Southernconservatives. The term is also used broadly to degrade working class and rural whites that are perceived by urban progressives to be insufficiently liberal.[SUP][8][/SUP] At the same time, some white Southerners have reclaimed the word, using it with pride and defiance as a self-identifier.[SUP][9][/SUP]
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Blooming heck. I didn't think I was going to start a storm in a teacup re Hillbilly v Rednecks. It is very interesting though. As a Brit, are there any other types I should be aware of? The two I mention are often the butt of jokes.
eg, we tell jokes about the Irish. In Ireland they tell jokes about the Kerry man. I believe in NY the joke about the Polish. I stand to be educated.......eP.
eg, we tell jokes about the Irish. In Ireland they tell jokes about the Kerry man. I believe in NY the joke about the Polish. I stand to be educated.......eP.
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lol ep
No storm in my tea cup {flat as a mill pond} I too am a fellow Britisher but I do like the music from the Appalachians especially Blue Grass , Banjo picking and hammered Dulcimer.
I did find in the Wikipedia page for Red Necks the following passage.
By 1900, "rednecks" was in common use to designate the political factions inside the Democratic Party comprising poor white farmers in the South.[SUP][11][/SUP] The same group was also often called the "wool hat boys" (for they opposed the rich men, who wore expensive silk hats). A newspaper notice in Mississippi in August 1891 called on rednecks to rally at the polls at the upcoming primary election:[SUP][12]
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I have not heard of Yaller-heels/ hay seeds etc before
Down South in the swamps there are Cajuns who originally originate from French stock and are famous for zydeco music and creole food.
I find so much of the folk music/history of the USA so interesting.
As for the Irish, I remember a Irish comedian saying that the Kerry folk tell jokes about a village in Kerry and the village tell jokes about a street in the village and the people who live in that street tell jokes about the man in number 43.lol
No storm in my tea cup {flat as a mill pond} I too am a fellow Britisher but I do like the music from the Appalachians especially Blue Grass , Banjo picking and hammered Dulcimer.
I did find in the Wikipedia page for Red Necks the following passage.
By 1900, "rednecks" was in common use to designate the political factions inside the Democratic Party comprising poor white farmers in the South.[SUP][11][/SUP] The same group was also often called the "wool hat boys" (for they opposed the rich men, who wore expensive silk hats). A newspaper notice in Mississippi in August 1891 called on rednecks to rally at the polls at the upcoming primary election:[SUP][12]
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Primary on the 25th.
And the "rednecks" will be there.
And the "Yaller-heels" will be there, also.
And the "hayseeds" and "gray dillers," they'll be there, too.
And the "subordinates" and "subalterns" will be there to rebuke their slanderers and traducers.
And the men who pay ten, twenty, thirty, etc. etc. per cent on borrowed money will be on hand, and they'll remember it, too.
And the "rednecks" will be there.
And the "Yaller-heels" will be there, also.
And the "hayseeds" and "gray dillers," they'll be there, too.
And the "subordinates" and "subalterns" will be there to rebuke their slanderers and traducers.
And the men who pay ten, twenty, thirty, etc. etc. per cent on borrowed money will be on hand, and they'll remember it, too.
I have not heard of Yaller-heels/ hay seeds etc before
Down South in the swamps there are Cajuns who originally originate from French stock and are famous for zydeco music and creole food.
I find so much of the folk music/history of the USA so interesting.
As for the Irish, I remember a Irish comedian saying that the Kerry folk tell jokes about a village in Kerry and the village tell jokes about a street in the village and the people who live in that street tell jokes about the man in number 43.lol
this is the coolest thing ive seen all day!
arty your on par and have a good understanding.. both Hillbilly's and rednecks are not that different really i personally would consider my self a redneck because of the flat delta southern land I was born on and working outside like in a cotton field you will have a sun burned neck. i wont say both are always poor because they have land. and in the US having land is way better than any cash.. As you know the music is different and so is their Moonshine.:Cheers:
Its the Cajuns from Louisiana who interest me the most their culture and music and the look of the Cajun woman that just makes me crazy! I love Cajun ladies so rare and so pretty !
heres a pic of a Cajun model..
Arty have a read ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajun
Its the Cajuns from Louisiana who interest me the most their culture and music and the look of the Cajun woman that just makes me crazy! I love Cajun ladies so rare and so pretty !
heres a pic of a Cajun model..
Arty have a read ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajun
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So you are sort of a paramutual Penguin? considering your first initial, how did you,,,,nah, I wont ask.
eP how is pops doing?
Now wait a minute. There's Irish, then there is us Shanty Irish.
"Did you ever go into an Irishmans shanty
Where water is scarce and whiskey is plenty
A three legged stool and a table to match
And a spring on the door instead of a latch."
You'll have to add the Jig.
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mossy this one is you! mr Wilson
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