Grow Mediums pop22 does Kindsoil Live Testing for the CannaZone

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Sounds like my kind of luck sniper! Hang in there!

One plant is looking good, and the other........................... is a Mutant! the pics tell the story. But after a slow start its healthy and I'll grow her out just to see how she does, I don't need the bud...lol!

Normal plant

Mutant Ice Cool

 

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It is an Ice Cool, just never changed the label after the first 2 failed. And I see the big one is a pretty freaky mutant also, I'll get pics shortly!

What's up test homies!

... First, I must say that I may have not thought my participation through, considering the established protocol for the testing with no nothin' to be added, even if needed,... my bad! Problem is, as mentioned this grow is not for me alone, but others as well, for which I have been "hired"... results need to be great, and I cannot allow a plant to falter or fail when simple feeding/supp's will see it better to harvest,... the crappy start has already cost time I did not have to spare as is, and very likely, yield as well,... So, I may have to DQ myself from the test... I'll still run the soil, and still angle for no inputs, and document fully the whole grow, but if a plant needs help, she going to get it! I'll see what KS thinks, and any plant that does go with no significant nutritional inputs can still be considered for the test results, but plants that get help, obviously not,... not sure if I'll jump threads to the Commune with the other unofficial testers, or stay here and report only those that maintain the protocol,...some discussion needed there!
...But, that said, the new girls are cranking right along! ...on day 9 now; added in due to uncertain seed arrival of more Acapulco Gold, is Kalishnapple x Sweet Tooth... turns out the seeds did get here finally, and I've fired off two others, their fate to be determined, but at least one will still be in the test,... the transplanted AG, FairyBreath, and Flavor Grape are doing well now, the rest were shitcanned,... a possible idea: dual-plant FB's in a 10gal,... .... they're growing fast, so this week it's order time, and will get transplanted ASAP,...(these are 32oz cups)

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>>> pop22- looking great bro'! Ice Cool, mmmmm,..:drool:.... Oh, the mutie is now part of the Anomoly thread- Is this an IC, or a B-kush as the label says? (https://www.autoflower.org/threads/anomolies-we-have-seen-on-afn.50661/ )

>> Bromeo-- I know it's killin ya my friend! (you too brother EoF) -- To not juice her up is soooo unnatural, right?! (I think this is a form of P defc., not at all typical, but I see similar symptom manifestations in Sick Bay, and treatment with P seems to help; are you guys seeing some N defc. as well, beyond the expected general amount for this stage?)... Still, there's stores in those fans, and she may finish face-first butt-ugly, but I'm confident there will be great bud by the end, just not as much as, potentially,... She is a big'un, and I think the plant size/pot size thing has caught up with her and the available nutrients,... And no matter what, this is an excellent case in point test subject for KS application to autos, pot size and amount of KS added,... we all know how rather variable auto's are in their nute' demands, so all this is totally uncharted territory, the first early pieces to the puzzle! Same for EoF's MA,... and just like his SNOG, your FEx is still running fine- Hard to make any conclusions about strains, Indi-Sati' nutritional tendencies, etc. yet,... ***.... --and Man, that FEx!! How phat is she dude?! ...She makes me pine for my little coco-cup girl from last year...Oh the aroma and flavor! Your Jools the Sati'-Queen is going to hog the jar big time, trust me, you better hide a little stash of her, lest you have barely a taste before it's gone!


*** Molasses-- read the labels guys, some are definitely richer in nute's than others...locally, I found Brer Rabbit to be the best, more Ca, Mg and K (?),... Fe is the same,.. for cooking, I like Grandma's milder taste better, but is less rich than Brer,...

>> KS-- my sister cans lots of things, and I found pure citric acid in her cupboard, in a nice fine crystal size,... I assume this will be just as good, just faster dissolving,... I saw nothing on the EJ label that indicates anything special about their formulation,...?

>>> Hobbstahhh! ...'bout time man- ... I like that Left-Over girl, another good test subject to consider, given her KS amount,... fingers crossed on the Autopots my friend! That, I'm very interested in seeing result of,...

>> :smoking: EoF, that SNOG is looking giggady giggady-goo!!

..resins and bud density is superb my friend- -seriously, that is advertisement-grade material right there!.... what's her perfume like? .... MA has a lot of Sativa in her, right? She's making lots of very lovely bud too, pale leaves aside!

>> Pops! man, those girls are loving the soil proper now, ay? ... 3 beauties for your dancing pleasure! ..love the chunky 3 Bears, but the Crink's is still my fav'... has Mitch had a peek at her yet? I'm curious if this leaf pheno' is typical, or not,...

>>> Anthro buddy, I'm pullin' for ya mate! Those temps are a challenge for a grown plant, much less seedlings,.. ...and still they look good, even after the daily roasting! What's the RH been like over 24h period?

>> Step'-- daaaamn! G-13 blow-up!! If this is how photo's are going to react to KS, I'm more stoked by the minute,... ..still looking for some local G-13 too, and there's nuth, dammit!
... double dAAAmn!! are these FD's WJEMS? Those are the best males I've seen in a while! Has FD seen them? You might have some "stud" services coming my friend! there's enough grain-love there to knock up half the West Coast...


>>> Sniper I'm still gutted about that whole rotten shitty mess out your way,.. ...plants may seem like small potatoes in comparison, but I know how important your meds are to your health! -- and that magic horse poop compost too- fek fek fek fek.... that they're still salvageable is amazing,.. guess we'll see how good the sugar leaves are at a more supportive role! there's still some time too, so I'm sending major reboot bloom karma your way my friend!

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@Waira those are some fine looking seedlings!

 

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@Kind Soil, now I got to question, why " no liquid" ph source be used? That makes no sense whatever. Maybe you failed to be specific in this. So why not lemon juice, or vinegar, etc for organic ph adjustment? and some people HAVE to use RO water. If its been properly treated with calmag ( at a reduced ppm, I'm using 60 ppm for the kind soil ) and properly ph'd I see no logical reason for it to be a problem, unless your mix is lacking in certain trace minerals/elements. Tell you what, I'll send you a couple gallons of my tap water, you'll be horrified at what it does to your plants!

without a better explanation, it sounds like a sales pitch ( not saying it is, just how it sounds ). So Why would these crystals be better? its all the same after it dissolves..

 

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only when being run as hydro, it has nothing to do with the coco itself. This is a soil grow, even when the main medium is is coco, or when I blend coco into my soil.

Ok, now this is where I get confused. Doesn't Coco need a lower pH? Than 6.5. I been running 6.2-6.3 because of the Coco. The two males don't seem to mind 6.2- 6.3

 

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I'm running 2 pots of soil and 2 of pure coco in auto pots right now, just started. I'm expecting PH to be an issue, we'll see. I ph'd to 6.3 for the solution i'm using on them now.

I been trying for 6.0 - 6-.3 this probly why my plants look like shit. Although it's still kind of baffling, I just finished a Dinafem Haze cbd in Coco loco and I ran that at 6.2 and it was a beast and I have 3 Jems doing good running at 6.2

 

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Although your speculation has some truth to it, it doesn't seems as though thta's an issue normally, at least it hasn't been for me. I grow mostly organic. I use standard ph up, phosporic acid and sometimes lemon juice. Both work fine with my soil. And I've adopted a method a bit different from the norm ( imaginne that..lol ), I ph about .5 low then raise it to where I want with baking soda. It acts as a buffer and the ph of my water stays very stable. Before that, my ph'd water stored in jugs not maintain ph for more than a couple days.
And my organic plants never suffer ph issues. Not brag, simple fact. So why would it matter with Kind /Soil, unless its a specific component of their soil that reacts to phosphoric acid. This is why I asked for a more detailed explanation, because I'm still not buying the idea that only the crystalized acid is the only option. In fact, as a consumer, being told I could only use certain products with this soil would turn me off quick. many people would already have products that they use regularly and won't like the idea of spending more money on something they already have.

...KS mentioned before the addition of phosphoric acid causes chemical reactions that are undesirable, knocking the balance of the nute cycling (?), and it tends to be hard on the soil herd,... every acid will have a net effect that's similar for pH'ing, but each is chemically different (strength, reaction time, break down product), and it's as much about what the rest of the soil components, living included, does with the acid after it's been neutralized and changed into something else, as it is what the acid does to the soil, etc.,... always remember, biologically speaking, each form of acid is profoundly different from another, and therefore, how it interacts and reacts to and with the rest of the system.... I find vinegar (acetic acid) doesn't seem to have much lasting ooomph, if you will,... citrus/lemon has a couple different acids in it, mostly citric, which is Vit. C, right? --this has other metabolic actions on the plant, as a powerful antioxidant, and too much isn't good for the plant I believe... maybe KS knows specifically why it's not a good alternative,...

 

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My little mutants...........lol! Both Ice Cool are mutants, and the bigger one seems even more so the the smaller one! Un-even branch placement, non symetrical placement around the stem, 5 point leaves growing near the bottom and 3 fingered leaves 2 nodes above!!! Crooked stem also. Yet it seems healthy.

THIS is what becomes of feminizing seed!

 

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Thank you! As my tag line says, I question everything, but I do so to get meaningful answers, not out of any preconcieved notion about your products or methods. I think you have a fine product. I know you've had to herd us in the direction this test should go, as you've discovered most of us are diehard tinkerers..lol!

As to my RO water, its a necessity. Even filtered, my tap water kills cannabis......... ONLY.... hows that for weird. And I mean kills it, within 2 weeks, they look like I poured sulfuric acid on them, burnt, yellowed shriveling leaves. no one has figured out why. Even had the water tested and nothing was found out of acceptable limits! I even tried triple filtering and adding that at 50% to my RO water..... BOOM! Destroyed a DWC test grow! So my only other option is go to town and haul water back, and I just can't physically. So if you or anyone has insight as to why my water kills cannabis, but my veggies love it, I'd appreciate it!

so sorry i got way behind with deliveries before we closed for a few days and I didn't have a chance to get back on here. citric acid has the benefit of chelating nutrients, making them more available to the plant rather than just adjusting ph alone. The citric acids don't build up in the media like phosphoric acids tend to. We have ran both side by side, when we run phosphoric acids through the entire grow, we PH tested the soil and it had dropped to 5.0 that exact same grow, same media from same bags and everything was ran with citric acid crystals and the PH of the media was 6.1 after flower. Clearly you can take into account maybe the OM in the soil weekend in one pot more than the other or something else but a difference of 1.1 is a large change in PH which really can only account for build up. A lot of people aren't taking into consideration most all of us never used acid to adjust plain water consistently and feed just that consistently. We would normally be using a lot of chemical or something in the water that causes the PH to drop and we raise it with a base. Very rarely are we using acids to adjust or if we do its for a once a week flush or something along that line. Its not something we use consistently. The other thing we were told about soils and phosphoric acids from fox farms was that at certain %levels Phosphoric acids can make the bio life in the soil slow and or die (at strong enough levels). now you can say what does that matter when its so weak or i use so little, but the issue isn't always with the levels it can be again with build up. Using that acid over and over without a flush could build up causing those issues. while speaking on residual you can take a liquid acid stick your finger in it and try washing it off, it takes quite a it to completely wash it off your hands its almost like a slimey/sticky feeling. you can take a handful of citric acid crystals and put them in your hand put a bit of water in it and scrub till it dissolves, even after your hands have soaked it up they aren't nasty or showing a phosphoric acid style burn.. other than that i can't really explain why people have really serious issues with phosphoric acids and hot soil. its just something we have seen over and over again.

I do have a question though if advanced nutrients was on here and stated to never use anything other than advanced PH products with their grows or you will have a horrible grow, would everyone say "they don't know what their talking about I'm going to do it another simpler way.." or would you follow what they say to the T because you trust they know what they are saying because they have done the trials and seen the issues with other companies PH products?

As for the vinegar and other options you mentioned I've said many times theres not a issue with that. If you only have a lemon available or vinegar fine, but its not what we recommend. to me theres no sense in going that route, is it okay yes but why not use a product designed for what your doing. thats almost like saying why buy a companies soil make your own every time... well fine but the companies that make soils not only have a very specific amount of mixes added to their products, theres wetting agents, specific amounts of limes to not only hold stable ph but not over shooting the starting PH. all those things aren't being done when your making the media, its a crap shoot unless your actually testing your soils and doing things properly. The citric acid crystals sold by earth juice. has been sold for years by them for the reason were using it, its also been tested over and over for organic growing. Clearly that doesn't mean everyones going to like the product its just what we recommend because we have seen issues when using Phosphoric acids and when the same growers changed to citric acid crystals they never had another issue.

the RO water thing which i also have responded to a few times, its not that we say you cannot use it, we just don't suggest it over 3 part filters (pre, carbon , post) they are more than adequate in almost every case to remove the majority of your water toxin, RO really removes fluorides, viruses and any excess contaminants that make it through. The majority of all your toxic crap is taken out through the three part system before it goes to the RO membrane. As i said before everyones water is different and everyone has to choose what works for them, But making a bunch of RO water just to put a cal-mag chemical mixture back into the system isn't something i would personally suggest with organic growing but everyone has their own ways. Ph balancing 0ppm water can really be a pain also some meters don't properly read 0ppm water. (clearly that can be changed by adding cal-mag like your suggesting)


I just want to be very clear we SUGGEST things for our growers because we've seen the issues growers have had over the years with our system and things like RO/water and PH balancing or Phosphoric acids. Im not on here stating this is the only way to do it and thats that. We are giving suggestions on what has always worked best for our growers and on top of that all our suggestions are for our system and our system only. Im not on here telling growers how to run their current grows, we are on here telling people what works best with kind soil and kind soil grows only.

 

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Eyes is The Man when it comes to organics on AFN. I do organic, but I'm into simplicity and don't do super soil usually.

your grow is awesome! prime example of how your plant/ leaves should be when everything is on point they are creating their own hearty wax coating your plants look great..