Live Stoner Chat Question for the experts on light schedule

[Mañ'O'Green]

I cannot find any real PPFD or PAR data on the Viparspectra 600w but it is no where near what you think. @BigSm0 do you have the real PPFD data on this light?

 

[MedCzech]

You think that is impressive,...

I am working out the ratios for nutrient uptake at each stage for cannabis based on complex mathematic surrounding the golden ratio. "God's footprint" or the golden ratio is key in nature and healthy natural development. I have written a book on the subject as it relates to sport and more specifically golf, but now I am translating that knowledge to growing. It is very complex, yet simple at the same time.

Here is an interesting statement...
The N/K ratio is also crucial when plants are passing from the growth (vegetative) phase to the generative (flowering or fruit-bearing) phase. The primary stimulus for a short-day or long-day plant to go from vegetative to generative is the number of consecutive hours of darkness. However, other stimuli, such as the N/K ratio, also affect these phenological states to some extent.

Fruit contains an abundance of potassium, and it is therefore essential to ensure a proper supply of potassium during generative periods. Yet regardless of how much potassium there is, if the ratio to nitrogen is too low, this can lead to a reduction in flower formation and plants with many vegetative parts (leaves and branches) and few generative parts (flowers and fruit).

So in just a very simple application here, if the ratio of N to K is optimal flower formation( and I believe terpene and resins as well) will improve.

It's a little intimidating at first, but then it's all good., and really quite easy to apply. This is just the beginning. The ratios of light spectrums, when training, just like in bonsai, there are optimal ratios for both form and function.

there is so much from this we can build off of. I will keep you all posted on my findings. Just a lot of fun and enjoying the ride!

 

[Titan]

Actually you would have 30.2 moles over 12 hours with 700. 700x60x60x12/1,000,000=30.2

If you are running autos you are running more than 12 hours right?

Yes you are correct however I'm running 2 lights each putting out around 700. I am currently running 18 and 6 however per my question is can I switch to 12/12 without loosing a bunch of yeild so I can flower this photo I have in the same box. She's quickly taking up all the space I have and I'm concerned about the stretch.

 

[Titan]

I cannot find any real PPFD or PAR data on the Viparspectra 600w but it is no where near what you think. @BigSm0 do you have the real PPFD data on this light?

Yeah that doesn't surprise me much...

 

[NastyN8t]

Ive ran some autos 12/12 from seed w photos and yield was down but still higher than the photos overall. Id say cut back the widow to a smaller size or just flip them all 12/12 and let her rip.

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

You think that is impressive,...


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I am working out the ratios for nutrient uptake at each stage for cannabis based on complex mathematic surrounding the golden ratio. "God's footprint" or the golden ratio is key in nature and healthy natural development. I have written a book on the subject as it relates to sport and more specifically golf, but now I am translating that knowledge to growing. It is very complex, yet simple at the same time.

Here is an interesting statement...
The N/K ratio is also crucial when plants are passing from the growth (vegetative) phase to the generative (flowering or fruit-bearing) phase. The primary stimulus for a short-day or long-day plant to go from vegetative to generative is the number of consecutive hours of darkness. However, other stimuli, such as the N/K ratio, also affect these phenological states to some extent.

Fruit contains an abundance of potassium, and it is therefore essential to ensure a proper supply of potassium during generative periods. Yet regardless of how much potassium there is, if the ratio to nitrogen is too low, this can lead to a reduction in flower formation and plants with many vegetative parts (leaves and branches) and few generative parts (flowers and fruit).

So in just a very simple application here, if the ratio of N to K is optimal flower formation( and I believe terpene and resins as well) will improve.

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It's a little intimidating at first, but then it's all good., and really quite easy to apply. This is just the beginning. The ratios of light spectrums, when training, just like in bonsai, there are optimal ratios for both form and function.

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there is so much from this we can build off of. I will keep you all posted on my findings. Just a lot of fun and enjoying the ride!

This should be in a thread of its own. Tag me in when you start it please.

 

[Mañ'O'Green]

Yes you are correct however I'm running 2 lights each putting out around 700. I am currently running 18 and 6 however per my question is can I switch to 12/12 without loosing a bunch of yeild so I can flower this photo I have in the same box. She's quickly taking up all the space I have and I'm concerned about the stretch.

What is that 700 number and what is the source?

 

[MedCzech]

This should be in a thread of its own. Tag me in when you start it please.

I am just getting started on this project. *** said he wanted to collaborate on this in terms of data sharing and info sharing. We would love to have guys even more experienced like yourself to add to this endeavor, but that might well be the first floor.
I am working on three things in this grow myself to find the golden ratio balance and optimization according to simple applications.
The first is spectrum. Simply I am keeping balance of blue/red at 66/33, but also secondly is the intensity of that particular spectrum. The best way would be to even make sure the wavelengths of the spectrums you are using are also in ratio to one another, but that's another rabbit hole. The last is the ratios of the elements and their delivery to the plant in ratio to one another based on how each element reacts amongst each other. I believe the feeding charts we are being given my each manufacturer is probably quite close. I just want to do the math and figure it out perfectly, plus then, you would invertantly create a way to solve issues for people much faster. Nutrient delivery is crucial in any hydro or nuetral medium grow. Plus, this can have applications in organjcs aa well, it just might be a little more difficult to be as precise with balancing this without top dressing and making amendment adjustments throughout the grow to maintain balance and ensure perfect uptake at each stage. If we can find a way to keep the ratios in check throughout the grow, I think we can achieve with autos, including flavor, what only photos have been able to do so far.

Hope you are interested in helping!

 

[Titan]

What is that 700 number and what is the source?

from their website
https://www.viparspectra.com/goods.php?id=59

 

[MedCzech]

So in the end this whole thing can be simplified. Finding perfect spectrum wavelength, and intensity, as well as nutrient delivery all based on these ratios, and more specifically, the golden ratio. 1:1.6183. God's footprint!

That is the quest at the first level of understanding of how the golden ratio can aid our efforts into creating autos with the same flavors and terpene profiles as well as yields that photoperiod have now.