New Grower TheSpacePope "Just Wingin It 1st Grow JournaL" organic Bubblicious and Blue mystic

[TheSpacePope]

Trouble in paradise!!! EXP help!!!

ok i know im having issues with my plants now, my BM i believe are having heat prob, but my lonely bubblicious seem to NOT give a fu#$ and have turned around and seems to love it
ADrian plant pic 1 and 2 BM in 5gal pic 2 and 3(w/ flash)

Lonely Bub 5/6



also having strange temp readings temp at plants is 2*-3* F higher the the air at top of tent???????? heats supposed to rise according to you know.....Science

im having AC issues guy was supposed to be here yesterday to fix but NO show, also Vortex is up via Passive but doesnt seem to be doing much?

someone plz tips or trick to help my plants for now so they dont pass on?

 

[TheSpacePope]

been using this as a guide, from another fourm

and 32lbs of distilled ice later:jaw:

 

[gradolabs]

Space Pope Coast to Coast! What seems to be the problem? Can't make heads or tails of your concerns... I guess I see you might be having temp, humidity, over or under watering, and pH problems, and those leaves look hella droopy - I guess that's adrian? Anywho, post the pics in the infirmary. And see if you can't get a really good description of your grow op all in one post - would make it easier to parse for useful intel and flesh out the problems. We're here to help and our knowledge can vicariously raise your plants back to health. Believe that!

 

[Shadowbuck]

The fact that you have weird temp readings, you think its temp related, you're having AC issues, AND the symptoms very well could be temp/heat related....I would seem to think, with an educated guess, that its probably temp related. Also...I cant see the soil depth in the pot in relation to the top of the pot for the bubblicious...but the other ones look to me to be planted with a soil depth way too far from the top of the pot IMO. Thus being down so far in the pot, they may be having trouble from a lack of cool, fresh air getting down around the lil seedling, and as such its probably burning it up down in there. If that is your only problem going on (temp/heat)... Here's some things u can do to help (besides having a/c working lol).

1. Cut the tops of those pots off! Down almost to the soil. That will help get some air to ur babies. EDIT: (If ya don't wanna ruin that 5 gal the bm is in then I suggest repotting it in something smaller with an appropriate soil depth as in filled to the top).
2. I don't know what kind of light ur using (havent read the whole thread yet...just tryna lend some emergency services) but it looks awfully damn bright in a couple of those pics...Raise that bitch up if you can or rig it so its pointing somewhat away from your seedlings...or both. Seedlings that big don't need much light.
3. Get some air in there! Open the cab or closet or what ever and get some airflow goin asap. If it feels hot to you (enough that ur pissed bout the a/c bein out) then its hot to your seedlings. Open windows, run ceiling or oscilating fans if ya got em.
4. If none of that works (which I would think if its temp related it should def help), turn off your light and put ur seedlings in a bright room (think bathroom with the lights on...not grow room with a hot grow light) for the rest of todays light period and return them to the "grow area" when its time for them to go night night.

Hope this helps bro...I honestly think its probably (or at least mostly) temp related. But there's always the chance its "hot soil" or ph or any number of things but address the temp issues first and see what happens. Hurry bro there's still time:thumbs:

 

[TheSpacePope]

The fact that you have weird temp readings, you think its temp related, you're having AC issues, AND the symptoms very well could be temp/heat related....I would seem to think, with an educated guess, that its probably temp related. Also...I cant see the soil depth in the pot in relation to the top of the pot for the bubblicious...but the other ones look to me to be planted with a soil depth way too far from the top of the pot IMO. Thus being down so far in the pot, they may be having trouble from a lack of cool, fresh air getting down around the lil seedling, and as such its probably burning it up down in there. If that is your only problem going on (temp/heat)... Here's some things u can do to help (besides having a/c working lol).

1. Cut the tops of those pots off! Down almost to the soil. That will help get some air to ur babies. EDIT: (If ya don't wanna ruin that 5 gal the bm is in then I suggest repotting it in something smaller with an appropriate soil depth as in filled to the top).
2. I don't know what kind of light ur using (havent read the whole thread yet...just tryna lend some emergency services) but it looks awfully damn bright in a couple of those pics...Raise that bitch up if you can or rig it so its pointing somewhat away from your seedlings...or both. Seedlings that big don't need much light.
3. Get some air in there! Open the cab or closet or what ever and get some airflow goin asap. If it feels hot to you (enough that ur pissed bout the a/c bein out) then its hot to your seedlings. Open windows, run ceiling or oscilating fans if ya got em.
4. If none of that works (which I would think if its temp related it should def help), turn off your light and put ur seedlings in a bright room (think bathroom with the lights on...not grow room with a hot grow light) for the rest of todays light period and return them to the "grow area" when its time for them to go night night.

Hope this helps bro...I honestly think its probably (or at least mostly) temp related. But there's always the chance its "hot soil" or ph or any number of things but address the temp issues first and see what happens. Hurry bro there's still time:thumbs:

i know temp is off i have 32lbs of Distilled ice in there right now, the BUB looks deep placed because after 7 day no pop soil, i went looking if you read my prev. updates , and went down to the base of the jiffy pot it was in so i carefully removed it and placed it in the 5gal smart pot (fabric so i can just rollem down) several day ago, and i know that one is fine since it went in with 4 leafs and i count 7 maybe more dark, and happy? now so BUB doesnt give a fuck and seems to enjoy the 80s, BM are the testy ones im concerned about, since according to the guide ive been using the stem looks purple like the pics but they are only about a week and change old. adrain pic 1 and 2 is in a jiffy starter pot, soil on that is exactly 1in from rim, smart pots soil is 2 in from rim as instructed.

idk about bathroom the 5 CFLs in there are "bright white", and about 3ft off the nearest ledge to place a plant but this helps me tho!!!, so im in a predicament

ice is helping so far temp. steady dropping and correction all have 4 reg leafs and 2 round baby ones, bub leafs are wide and huge and dark green assuming shes saying "Im good bro":cough:

EDIT ADD: GN Manual said after a week at 30in to drop down to 24in and i did to the day, if that helps BM(adrian) in Jiffy is Approx 21in from bottom of LED (taking the 4 in jiffy pot 1in) into account. btw i run a reverse daylight cycle to help with temp. I.E. day outside night in tent/ night outside LED on in tent (help with temps) or im sure theyd be on fire by now lol

 

[Shadowbuck]

Ok I skimmed thru ur thread now...Kinda up to speed on what ya got goin on. I'm gonna stand by my rec' that ya get a lil more airflow around them seedlings. You dont have to cut the jiffys completely flush with the soil, but in my personal experience, a soil level an inch from the rim of the pot is too far for a seedling barely an inch tall if you already have temp and airflow problems. It's like effectively growing it down in a hole. Rolling down the fabric pot is a good idea. Had I known u had 30 lbs of ice layin around I would have suggested that from the beginning lol. But ya dont have to get it cooled down THAT much. If ya get it down to 70-75 in the cab I would say thats plenty cooled off. But it doesnt address the fresh air to your plants issue. Even when you get it cooled down in there, do realize you have a whole different micro climate (with its own temp/humidity/airflow) down in that 1-2" between the rim of your pots and the surface of the soil and that's the climate that needs to be catered to (as thats where the plant is). Remember that your plants need fresh air to help the roots and well as help a whole nother realm of issues above ground. "Damping off" is one problem I can think of, for starters, that would affect seedlings caused by a certain fungus near the soil surface due to improper air circulation (but that one is usually more prevalent in cold damp soil...however that's just an example of one potential issue).

 

[TheSpacePope]

Ok I skimmed thru ur thread now...Kinda up to speed on what ya got goin on. I'm gonna stand by my rec' that ya get a lil more airflow around them seedlings. You dont have to cut the jiffys completely flush with the soil, but in my personal experience, a soil level an inch from the rim of the pot is too far for a seedling barely an inch tall if you already have temp and airflow problems. It's like effectively growing it down in a hole. Rolling down the fabric pot is a good idea. Had I known u had 30 lbs of ice layin around I would have suggested that from the beginning lol. But ya dont have to get it cooled down THAT much. If ya get it down to 70-75 in the cab I would say thats plenty cooled off. But it doesnt address the fresh air to your plants issue. Even when you get it cooled down in there, do realize you have a whole different micro climate (with its own temp/humidity/airflow) down in that 1-2" between the rim of your pots and the surface of the soil and that's the climate that needs to be catered to (as thats where the plant is). Remember that your plants need fresh air to help the roots and well as help a whole nother realm of issues above ground. "Damping off" is one problem I can think of, for starters, that would affect seedlings caused by a certain fungus near the soil surface due to improper air circulation (but that one is usually more prevalent in cold damp soil...however that's just an example of one potential issue).

ah thank you as far as air flow i have a 3ft tower ionizing os. fan in there with plants, along with the rear port open and the vortex on at full blast, no fan speed straight plug and go, didnt have it i just hauled ass to 7-11 it was like 2$ each for 2x 16lbs bags >1mi from my door, cheap when considering my garden.but i know thats just short term, i usually have the front open with a 18in walmart fan to help suck air out figured that be more then enought air flow (vortex 177 cfm, + tower and port open for neg pressure), but i relocated the walmart large fan to my window to pull the cool night air into my 10x12 room and figured the other fans would be pulling the cool air to the tent?

so confused, cuz both smart pot and jiffy state 2 in. and 1 in below rim

 

[Shadowbuck]

I could totally see the 2"/1" thing being ok IF the plant was a lil bigger and hardier. But for days old, just germed, seedlings I wouldn't agree with that stated rec'. Once they get bigger in like a week they should be ok. If they were mine that's what I would do...let's put it that way. Keep in mind the jiffys also say u can plant their pots straight in the ground and the roots will grow through with no issues...and most everyone here would sincerely disagree with that claim lol

 

[The Squid]

Hey there Space Pope. Sorry for your troubles, dude. Let's see if I can help you suss this out. Shadowbuck has given you some useful and relevant info for your situation. As I am sorta pressed for time, with all else that I have going on I wold like to ask a few questions.

I checked out your setup, but just to cover bases so that I can give you the best help I have some questions.

What are your temps and RH(relative humidity)?
How close are your GNs?
What are you Ph'ing your feeds to?
Did you pre-water before planting?
How often do you water/spray?
The 'claw' that I see going down looks like classic Ph issues. Having similar issues with a Photo of mine currently, but when I fed again with proper Ph, it has started straightening out.

Let's start here.

EDIT: Also, that Ph chart is a little complicated and confusing especially for new guys IMO.

 

[TheSpacePope]

What are your temps and RH(relative humidity)? 80s i know i know, still the same around 40 light off low 30s on
How close are your GNs? Started at 30in, after 1 week moved down to 24 (in GN man.) jiffy is at 21 cuz jiffy ,
What are you Ph'ing your feeds to? Still standard natural spring water, 7.0 6ppm
Did you pre-water before planting? Rooted seed 1/8 to dry (except the bub), water area after covering with soil lightly
How often do you water/spray? dont, but do the double water tech from TLO guide, water to barely light out wait 45-1hr then fin to normal run off, cuz its just passing the top soil and not actually pen 1st time around
total ec wateer 34 oz/4 plants total

Keep in mind the jiffys also say u can plant their pots straight in the ground and the roots will grow through with no issues...and most everyone here would sincerely disagree with that claim lol

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dammit!!!, thank you for that tip if i had known that i woulda never bought em and transferd adrian a long time ago

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