New Grower Waira's 11-strain-in-the-membrane outdoor grow

Hey waira -

I like photos thru the magnifying glass - seems to give plenty of detail of those shining trichomes! :check: Speaking of, have you had a peek thru the loup? Wondering how your trichomes are developing, and which strains have changed the most. Fun stuff to me! ;)

That purple star ryder looks very cool! Definitely a unique look in the garden, can't wait to see the pics of those flowers without the leaves! :brow:

:hot:Wooo hooo! You already have beans germinated and in soil - you work FAST! LOL I'm excited to watch the next round! Our hydro shop is out of Roots also :toke: and congrats on getting the smart pots! You should see these root balls - nothing like I've ever seen before - tiny, tiny little roots - EVERYWHERE! So much surface area in which to absorb nutrients. Actually, I'm not sure what cannabis roots are *supposed* to look like but the sheer quantity and pervasiveness of these roots are freakin COOL! :clap:

Anyway, nice going waira - looking forward to watching this crop finish and the next get started! :buds:

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Great photos waira.:clap:

It's hard to believe that most of my Autos are only around 2 weeks younger than yours. Most of mine look very immature for their age, and just plain pathetic to boot. I do know that the TD xes will take more time than the average Auto, but....

Anyway great job thus far for you. Cannabis certainly isn't like growing veggies or common flowers is it ? Man, it seems like every day there arises another problem to solve in growing this species of plant. It's not just a job but an adventure.:D

A big congrats on getting your MOB up and going. I can't wait to see that grow out.

I will be some what ahead of you on my HR Auto gear that I have just started. That will be interesting to watch one another grows with these. Even though they are not the same strains exactly, but close.

By the way, I can already tell that Smart Pots are the way to go over plastic containers, so I think you will see a big difference with this grow in that respect.

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Stickman :head: How are you, mate?...and how are things in the post-Spinosad Oblivion world?- LOL! Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I was just throwing darts at the answer board and got lucky I guess! :brow: Whatever bugs were there, you've ghosted there asses for now,... That nute burn spot, you say it looks chomped though?? Sounds like sapphires locust plague as been visited upon you! Out where you live, they'll find you...and so many different kinds! *...:finger: bugs, piss off!! LOL! * This is just happening in the hoopy, right? Honestly Stick, who knows where the thrips (?) came from,... many pests are so ubiquitous one is virtually assured pestilence on some level! Fungus, if any, are probably secondary opportunists movin' in on damaged tissues.... speaking of which, for Christ's sake don't forget to wear your tick and flea collar when outside!! :roflcry: You had me twitching at 'tic'!... 'epidemic' was just abuse at that point...:smoke: Ahhh nature,... Dewd!! the other day, I finally saw, in broad daylight, up close and nearly personal, after 30 years of living here and spotting only shadows or bits of before, a little masked ferret! Amazing! It just popped through the fence with a rustle that caught my attention; I was standing still, looking at the purple Star Ryder at the time; somehow, it didn't notice me, and proceeded to bound around the yard and fence line, past my girls, onto the concrete steps to pause and have a look inside, then scamper next to the house directly toward me, and past practically over my shoes!! I was literally stunned by this behavior, from what is notoriously the most wary of creatures (I think it was a black footed ferret; no doubt about the mask, markings, and the yellow-buff color)... so cool,... maybe 15" long tail and all, maybe as big around as my wrist... it moved like it was boneless, all springs....Finally, several yards away, I made a noise, and it snapped it's head toward and just teleported away *poof*! ...still not sure it really happened! the whole event was surreal... but very satisfying!! :toke:
***** So, I gather night temps are okay now? Man, it must be great not to have to hump all those ladies back and forth every night- LMAO!! or is it?! And the young'uns? cracked, packed and shooting I trust? Looks like you've got a whole new batch of chicks under way!
I’m envious of your bean choices, especially the Ghd, and MOB (Maines own Blueberry)
The Ghd sounds like some potent smoke, even if it is smallish growing. Like Cress states, “nice breeding stock”. I can already tell that I will certainly be learning and doing more breeding experimentation for myself and to share with others.

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:dance2: The Crm. Trio are doing fine, and the 2 MOB's are up, out and waiting to get into their final home... and the 2 GhD's, 2 GhxC99xC99, and 2 GhDxC99's were put to soak and germ today; hopefully the soil has come in now,... You know Stick, GhD is limited ed., 'not to be made again', so if you've the scratch for it, score a pack of them, maybe a mix w/ MOB, and store them! I know, putting evil thoughts in your head!
It's hard to believe that most of my Autos are only around 2 weeks younger than yours. Most of mine look very immature for their age, and just plain pathetic to boot. I do know that the TD xes will take more time than the average Auto, but....

Anyway great job thus far for you. Cannabis certainly isn't like growing veggies or common flowers is it ? Man, it seems like every day there arises another problem to solve in growing this species of plant. It's not just a job but an adventure.:D

A big congrats on getting your MOB up and going. I can't wait to see that grow out.

I will be some what ahead of you on my HR Auto gear that I have just started. That will be interesting to watch one another grows with these. Even though they are not the same strains exactly, but close.

By the way, I can already tell that Smart Pots are the way to go over plastic containers, so I think you will see a big difference with this grow in that respect.
Well, it's been much cooler at your place, and the next 2 weeks will see craaazy changes! Besides, who are you griping to about pathetic? LOL! I have 4 that are less than 8" tall! Most are under 1' too,... Mark those TD crosses, and see if they grow out like my B. Lee's are,... Not a great job yet my friend, not until we get those fat, calyx packed (not leafy!) colas in our faces!! :D Absolutely, these are no set-it-and-forget-it kinda plants, but they ain't rocket science neither! We're just still paying our dues, I guess- LOL! Smart pots!! Sapphire noted the dense root balls her plants had,... and the 3 of mine I harvested last night (UV, RRF, Cobra, mini w/ decent buds, unlike the other 2), I broke up the root balls today, and there wasn't shit-for-shine-ola there,...Very suspect,... of what, Ill ask Muddy... I've messaged him and Mr. NS about some other things, which I'll relate later when I get answered... Film at 11:00 :smoke: ..... 'night Stickfriend :group:
 
Stickman …How are you, mate?...and how are things in the post-Spinosad Oblivion world?
Yesterday, I discovered that I also had leaf-miners,(thanks to X) learned how to take a pic through my 30x jeweler’s loupe. I completely forgot I had 2 of them, until you mentioned it. Thanks. I used a list from here at AFN on what is needed for grow gear for noobies, and I ordered sooooooo much stuff, including most of my ingredients for my TLO, that I completely spaced those out.

Dewd!! the other day, I finally saw, in broad daylight, up close and nearly personal, after 30 years of living here and spotting only shadows or bits of before, a little masked ferret! Amazing! It just popped through the fence with a rustle that caught my attention; I was standing still, looking at the purple Star Ryder at the time; somehow, it didn't notice me, and proceeded to bound around the yard and fence line, past my girls, onto the concrete steps to pause and have a look inside, then scamper next to the house directly toward me, and past practically over my shoes!! I was literally stunned by this behavior, from what is notoriously the most wary of creatures (I think it was a black footed ferret; no doubt about the mask, markings, and the yellow-buff color)... so cool,... maybe 15" long tail and all, maybe as big around as my wrist... it moved like it was boneless, all springs....Finally, several yards away, I made a noise, and it snapped it's head toward and just teleported away *poof*! ...still not sure it really happened! the whole event was surreal... but very satisfying!!
Oh, I am jealous but more so thrilled that you got to see an elusive critter like that. We have packs of coyotes here, as well as when we lived in the mountains of Northern Idaho, but I have only seen them few times.

So, I gather night temps are okay now?
The ambient air temps are still in the low to mid 40s at night, but I think I have plenty of heat sink mass in the hoopy, with the hot tubs and the 50 gallon water barrel.
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You know Stick, GhD is limited ed., 'not to be made again', so if you've the scratch for it, score a pack of them, maybe a mix w/ MOB, and store them! I know, putting evil thoughts in your head!
We have had so much money going out of late (and not just the perpetual money going out for more grow gear) that I will have to hold off on any more beans at the moment. I really wanted to get some Albino Dragons also, HighRise Auto Diesel x Russian Dragon, sound like some great meds to me.

Yea, the TD xes are already filling out just in the last week.

We are getting the privilege of paying our dues. That puts things in their proper perspective. All of these fine Master Growers had to start at ground zero also. Some of the finest growers’ state that their first grows were less than favorable, but all say the same thing, that they are so glad they stuck it out. Actually how could one not, as it is so addicting.

Yes, please relate the 411 you get from Muddy and MNS. Those guys have so much knowledge and experience, and are so willing to pass it on.
I ended up doing a foliar feeding Monday night with Molasses and Fish Emulsion, and it was amazing to behold the added depth of green in the leaves Tuesday morning…. That's a serious nitro-sugar rush soln., Formula Stick! I'll just bet that got the ladies fizzing! Did the whole crew got a taste, or just the photo chicks? Just mind that sugar residue on leaf surfaces,... other bad things (molds, bugs) may also take a liking to that heady brew!
Yes the whole crew got a taste, even the girls in the tent. When I read what you wrote concerning the sugar residue on the leaves, it was like duh Stick, just how stupid can you be? Come one and all you critters, the buffet is wide open for your dining pleasure. Another thing to mark off the list of things NOT to do.

I am doing a veggie garden this year with lots of goodies. Most warm weather crops I started inside also from seed. Harvested some Butter Crunch Lettuce this morning (first thing harvested thus far), and just had a nice Chef Salad with it. And yes, I am doing all myself. I know that you are care-taking your father. I am getting the pleasure of care-taking my wife, more and more as her health continues to deteriorate rapidly.

Thanks for the heads up on the DE. I used to use it a hundred years ago, and had forgotten all about it. We are going to town tomorrow, and I will certainly be picking some up.

Ok, I took some fresh pics today of my Autos in the hoopy, so I’m going to jump over to my thread and post them. Oh, and yes I do believe that some of the Photos may have easily grown 7+ feet, as summer has hardly arrived here yet.

Catch ya soon, my friend.


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like photos thru the magnifying glass - seems to give plenty of detail of those shining trichomes! :check: Speaking of, have you had a peek thru the loup? Wondering how your trichomes are developing, and which strains have changed the most. Fun stuff to me! ;)
Mz. S',.. Stick-bro' :D- TY! This round of pics shows them better, but it's still not close to what my eye sees... one thing different about the trich's on nearly all of them vs. photos, is the size of the globe-ends are generally smaller, but the density coverage is still good... I guess one shouldn't read too much into the trich's alone, since the well grown strains of low THC/high CBD also look nice and frosty... it's what's inside that counts! LOL! So far, as Muddy sagely stated, amber is a rare color here, but cloudy to milky is the norm'.... Hazels 'twin' was harv'ed when all were cloudy+, and is drying nicely so far; at this point in the drying most of the distinct aromas fade out, and a more general 'dopey' smell remains, unless you squeeze out a fresh wifff..! 4 days now on the Rack, so I'll check later on the stem dryness, and maybe put'em in a paper bag to help even out moisture as they finish, then into jars for a cure,.... **** That purple SR is a stubborn little shit! It's showing the least yellowing of all, even the B.Lee's (these ones are racing to finish in the last few days!) ,... and her sister isn't much better! No complaints though, since bigger sis' is still putting on more goodness! The other bigger Cobra and Red Dwarf are likely the next to go dark, maybe in a couple days...
Well yea we want smells lol so yea go smell lol always talking about my descriptions lol WHAT YA GOT ! lol WHAT THE NOSE DOWN lol RUN DOWN of smells?
Sir Doobage! I saw your iron-nugget Buddha gal made it into the BOM comp.! :booya: Yaaaa- boi!! ... what a shame we can't smell all the wonderful aromas in that show,... LOL! I know, my turn to lag on the nose-report! :D Next day or 2, I'll get it posted! Aromatics are still refining at this point, of course...
Sapphire, luv, thanks again for waving those smart pots in my face! Solid root balls are a lovely lovely thing! :bow: I looked at the roots in my pots on the 3 that came in, and I was unimpressed to say the least,... UV and RRF hardly even expanded into the newer soil! Pshhhh... no wonder they were such sorry specimens,...
SOOOooooo, the waiting game continues! No more anything for anybody this last week, save water... I think most the rest of the crew will come in a couple at a time.... meanwhile, the 3 Crm.'s and 2 MOB's are doing okay, and the GhxC99xC99 both germ'ed and are planted! ..still waiting on the GhDxC99's and GhD's,... 1 cracked earlier, I'll peek again here shortly to see who else is out... These seeds
are on day 2+, so I'm starting to get a bit concerned... I won't start a new thread until I have some kind of final count.... Oh yeah, I'll post another shortly with the info from Mr. NS and Muddy-san, along with a catch-up with Stick's latest post here! :smoke: gotta break away here for a while...
 
Okay, back again....
Stickbro' :smoke: you crazy ol' hippy! Remember the pics from the thread that got term'ed the next day? (at least that's where I think I saw them,... LOL! I went a little bat-shit for a minute there trying to find them, then remembered "duh, this missing thread!"!) I mentioned what I thought was suspect leaves way down low in that last pic... these were the 'brown lines', right? running parallel to some heavier rib-veins...? The spinosad should tune those little f*ckers up, nicely! :roflcry:
Stick, don't you have wolverines, great grey owls, and all kinds of other interesting wildlife where you're at? Coyotes, like deer, have become larger forms of rats around here, and so many other places these days it seems,.... LOL! having them around doesn't mean one sees them, though! It took only 30 years before I saw that ferret!
The ambient air temps are still in the low to mid 40s at night, but I think I have plenty of heat sink mass in the hoopy, with the hot tubs and the 50 gallon water barrel.
Wow, still? With the solstice 2 steps away now? I gather you're at some elevation, then...:toke: Bless that Hoopy and heat sink's! LOL! **** no worries about the beans, mate! I think even if you miss some strains, other fine candidates will fill in right behind them, plus who knows whose hoarding what around here! The list of things I'd love to try is still about 30+ strong.... Whaddya gonna do, eh?
I did zip by your thread to see the new pics, and the bud formation looks good so far, but that giant stem stretch is a trip!.... I'll bounce over there shortly...
We are getting the privilege of paying our dues. That puts things in their proper perspective. All of these fine Master Growers had to start at ground zero also. Some of the finest growers’ state that their first grows were less than favorable, but all say the same thing, that they are so glad they stuck it out. Actually how could one not, as it is so addicting.
That is well said, and gospel truth my friend! I do try to keep that in mind, however I may grouse about results and such,... Indeed, many of the sensei's here were paying their dues during the truly stone age times of auto development! Things aren't so bad now, and getting better all the time! Consider all the $$ and effort that's being focused on autos these days, from Big Hat places like Dutch Passion to independent Super breeders like Aunty Mossy, Cres, and many others just here alone... :bow: I'd love to make a career of this somehow, someway, but even if you attend Oaksterdam Univ., the only way to learn is to 'do', and boy is it fun- usually! Success tastes all the sweeter for having taken some beatings along the way... :toke:
Yes the whole crew got a taste, even the girls in the tent. When I read what you wrote concerning the sugar residue on the leaves, it was like duh Stick, just how stupid can you be? Come one and all you critters, the buffet is wide open for your dining pleasure. Another thing to mark off the list of things NOT to do.
Aw, c'mon now Stick, you saw how well they reacted to that super-juice,... imagine if you put Superthrive in there too! They'd have kick down your door that night and demanded seconds! As long as the leftover residues get rinsed off within a day or so, weather depending, I think the occasional 'treat' is a good thing! besides, with the fish emulsion in there, many bugs might be repelled by that mixed in with the molasses.... ditto for the superthrive! B-vit's smell sooo gnarly!!
Mmmm, garden fresh goodness! Soul satisfying in more ways than one, huh! :edible: That is a true love of a hobby, I feel, because it's such a battle with the vermin for possession of the goods,...I continue to be amazed at your efforts Stick-stud! .... I do remember you mentioning your lovely wife's health concerns,...it sorrows me to hear she's having such a rough go these days... best wishes to you both for her to stay happy and comfortable for as long as possible :peace: My fortune in beyond reckoning with my Dad being as otherwise healthy and able as he is all things considered, and my care-taking is a cake-walk compared to what so many others have on their plate,...
Don't forget that DE, mate! And wear a mask when spreading it around,... Hey, I was wondering, since it's such a weird textured powder, if something like a big flour sifter would good for this task,...maybe pick a cheap one up at the store and find out! Okay, off to the next thread, I think.... LOL!
Peoples, I'll post the responses from Muddy-san and Mr. NS tomorrow, along with other bits and pieces of news.... :wiz:
 
Okay y'all :smoke: Gather round for some esquela time!! Here are the responses I received about the lousy calyx:leaf ratio autos can have when grown outside.... first is Muddy-san:

Re: very poor calyx:leaf ratios....
In general, my indoor autos always do better than my outdoor. So much so that I don't grow autos outdoors anymore. The controlled environment indoors makes a big difference. The light is the same every day, you can set a feeding schedule and stick with it, no over watering from excessive rain, consistent temps and hopefully, no pests. A lot more variables outdoors. Indoors you can grow in unamended Pro Mix, peat moss and perlite basically. Try that outdoors and it's a recipe for disaster. IMO to be successful outdoors you need a good soil mix that contains enough nutrients to feed the plants with little or no supplemental feeding.

Some of what you're describing, like calyx to leaf ratios, are genetic traits. But the increased light and better nutrition indoors does have an impact. My buds are always fatter and tighter indoors. Outdoors you might be getting 10-12 hours of direct light compared to 18 or 20 indoors. Almost double the amount of light. That's huge.

In time, as auto breeding continues, I suspect we'll see strains that will excel outdoors. I've had much better results outdoors from supers compared to dwarfs. Autos are only seriously being bred for about 6-7 years now, compared to photos that have nearly 30 years of breeding. I've not grown the strains you mention, so don't know how they grow. My best results outdoors have been with some of Stitch's gear, Mi5 and Onyx in particular. I believe he does all his breeding outdoors, so they may be better acclimated to outdoor growing​


And Mr. NiceSmoke:
!..:smoke:...outdoor grows with autos IMO will not produce like they do indoors...for the simple fact...you can not control the environment..with that said...you can fatten up the buds with some kind of bud booster...like AN Overdrive...or FF Open Sesame...I am not doing any autos outdoors this year except for one...that I thought was photo...I ran some last year that did great...but a few got stunted because of the weather causing stress...anyone can grow a photo strain....but it does take a little bit of know how to grow an auto and have good results...if I may ask...what nutes and what kind of feedings are you using??...some people tend to just over due the feedings sometimes...in return will also leave them with stunted plants...the leaf to calyx ratio on outdoor grows does tend to be on the leafer side sometimes and does have something to do with the genetics in the strain...but like I said you can get the buds to swell and pack on more weight to courter it...tell me your nutes, feeding schedule, what size pots, soil, and how much direct sunlight your plants are getting...this will help me help you better...:thumbs:..
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There's a lot to chew on here!! :cough: .... but the only thing I'm in the mood for just now, is a snack!! --Later......:toke:

 
Thanks for your report, waira! :gthumb:

Muddy wrote:
IMO to be successful outdoors you need a good soil mix that contains enough nutrients to feed the plants with little or no supplemental feeding.

Some of what you're describing, like calyx to leaf ratios, are genetic traits. But the increased light and better nutrition indoors does have an impact. My buds are always fatter and tighter indoors. Outdoors you might be getting 10-12 hours of direct light compared to 18 or 20 indoors. Almost double the amount of light. That's huge.
Great info - I'm going to have to learn more about organic soil mixes in the future... I've just dipped my toe into the water looking at it, but I finally understand the concept, and why fertilization can replace all the fickle feeding.

I knew our flowers wouldn't be as large growing outside, but I severely underestimated how much less!! Light "intensity" seems to be a key for denser buds, which is common sense, but for some reason I really thought it was less important for the autos - I read they can grow outside from March thru November... I predict that your next round and my one last spot for the season will do better simply because there is more light "intensity" coming up. Our yard has great light all day long, so the plants can soak it up for as long as the sun is out - which is NEVER going to be 18 hours here, as Muddy noted... ;)

Mr. Nice Smoke wrote:
you can fatten up the buds with some kind of bud booster...like AN Overdrive...or FF Open Sesame...
:face: D'OH!! SOOO helpful!!! This is another piece of key info that has been circling but I never really got it... My grower friends kept telling me to add more phosphorus, and I explained that I was already feeding them, not sure what they meant. BLOOM BOOSTER or super-flower nutes or whatever you want to call them - of COURSE! That's what they meant. Why couldn't they just say that?? :face: Aaaaanyway - that will go a LONG way toward fattening the buds and "making up" for the extra-leafiness from our insufficient natural sunlight.

I'm not sure I'll grow more than a few autos next year if any at all... My "good sun" season is already pre-booked with regular cannabis, but I might like to try a few in the same earlier season with more organic nutes, or blending soil & using nice strong blooming nutes. I now know I don't have the energy to do a full-on grow before my regular one, but I fear I may already be hooked... :smoke:

I was feeling pretty pissy a day or so ago :twist: but just thinking about the issues reflectively has made me feel better about this auto grow. And less like just putting the whole crop in a pile and setting it on fire. :no: Well, I'll probably still set it on fire, just not all at once... :thumbs:

Off to play in the garden, see ya later! :smokeit: And thanks again for asking the important questions for us!

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Hey well yea autos differ from the breeder..Im waiting on some seeds from LBH seeds I just started helping him out in hes thread after seeing his gear,they are made for out door and selected for their auto traits..also he has a semi auto that GETS HUGE lol but the Auto Asian Haze is what i want ..I think it may be a game changer after seeing the massive top cola.Asianhaze#1-harvest.jpgfoto (10).jpgbut with the light issue I would think semi auto would be better for outdoor to push the death clock back a bit due to less light availability .
 
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