Haha, well I kind of get that, and hey who would argue with Pablo right, although I'm one of those guys who's of the mindset that if I can help I will, nothing more really.
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Haha, well I kind of get that, and hey who would argue with Pablo right, although I'm one of those guys who's of the mindset that if I can help I will, nothing more really.
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well what stuff exactly are you lacking in your mix?if you have subs mix mostly spot on there is a miss somewhere.but the water factor is often my personal problem with it all.you'll use 6-10 times the amount of water than a tlo grower will use over the course of any grow and the quality is unmatched.ive heard to argument a few times and simply disagree that its over rated nor as good.good hellz yeah,Ive had bangin good n flushed chem buds.but there is always a slight ever so present sting in your nose ya cant get rid of with a plant thats been pushed with chems well.much less slammed hard n pushed harder its all over the plant.but like I said bro if you have to switch do it man.only one who can truly figure it all out man is you bro.you have a ton on your plate and the ease of chems will do ok.but once you learn chems you'll have a tougher time going back since ppl try learning from the chem side to tlo and they are not compatable in the slightest.what about possibly buying water in bulk a few times and add cal mag.it'll stay good for a bit and it should do a cpl grows as far as water for two plants anyways.betweeen that and just a lot less rain water or something similar would solve the water issue,mostly anywho. but do whats right for you dude.I hate to see you go chem but for indoor solely chems had most organic systems beaten largely but organics had evened the playing field OD and beaten it in size and duration of grows.Ive seen it and its a fact.promise ,Im not being bais .HONESTLY LMFAO!! its true.but saying chems yeild better that orgnanics only hold true to indoor small tents.large grows?organics wins everytime in large scale.and the quality is purely better so imo its always a winner and thee best way to garden and cultivate period.but you gotta do whatcha gotta do bro. but lemme know what things you can find n see if we can find you a solution.
Hey buddy, thanks for the comments. I' did manage to pretty much get Sub's mix. It's as simple as this; if I were in the states, I would head to the nearest hydro place and pick up exactly the same amendments and base soil for sub's mix or your mix or anyones mix for that matter that is a tried, tested proven method. Then I would have a 'blueprint' to work to and could fine tune from there. But as it is, over here, we really struggle. For example the roots organic soil which has a lot more varied amendments in that Biobizz. Alfalfa meal, humic acid, azomite, oyster shells to name a few. And all the amendments and extra's for teas etc. I found similar substitutes like rock dust and made crushed egg shells here at home but it's not working. The rainwater is running out now it's spring and this means I need to spend yet more money on some kind of filter for my tap water.
Maybe it's just me being me and complaining lol (it has been known) but after a year of growing, I really should be getting it down and getting better results, not chasing def or burn all the time.
The thing with chems is here there is proven method, gets staggering results, all the products are easily available (even if super expensive) with a schedule to follow which uses tap water with same pH etc that I don't have to carry buckets of water into the house every other day, never mind trying to brew a tea which NEVER seems to work like it should ha.
I've been waiting to ditch this tent and expand my grow area with a new light and bigger pots, but don't want to do it until I have something thats dialled in and isn't going to go tits up and have 4 or 5 big plants looking like shit.
This thread is kind of tongue in cheek, I'm thinking out loud!
Maybe it's just me being me and complaining lol (it has been known) but after a year of growing, I really should be getting it down and getting better results, not chasing def or burn all the time.
The thing with chems is here there is proven method, gets staggering results, all the products are easily available (even if super expensive) with a schedule to follow which uses tap water with same pH etc that I don't have to carry buckets of water into the house every other day, never mind trying to brew a tea which NEVER seems to work like it should ha.
I've been waiting to ditch this tent and expand my grow area with a new light and bigger pots, but don't want to do it until I have something thats dialled in and isn't going to go tits up and have 4 or 5 big plants looking like shit.
This thread is kind of tongue in cheek, I'm thinking out loud!
Hey man, few things.. Firstly using synthetic nutes won't guarantee a better yield, it's all about the grower and whether or not the grow space is dialled in to reach it's full potential. Not saying it's your skills that are the problem btw just something worth noting.
I'm assuming you're growing the full organic route which to be fair baffles a lot of decent growers, myself included. I too want to keep things simple/stealthy and organic so I went for bottled organic nutes made by Plant Magic, it's a UK company with nutes specifically designed for water here in the UK - I mention this because for me it was the best option, all the convenience of bottled nutes but with the organic vibe very much intact. Anyone using tap water in the UK should be leaving it to sit for at least 24 hours anyway to allow the chlorine to ***k off.
I've done synthetic and organic grows bro and at the end of the day it comes down to quality over quantity for me, my synthetic weed, although greater in quantity (could be down to using hydro and not soil) took at least a month to cure, more like 2-3 months to reach its potential. Whereas my organic stuff is good to smoke and damn tasty from the moment it's dry, obviously a long cure will benefit any weed but not having to wait another 2-3 months before enjoying your fruits is awesome, just gets that little bit better each day.
I feel there's an argument out there that you can push organic yields as much as synthetic these days so stay open minded bro, over the next year or so I'm going to be testing a few different organic boosters so look out for that!
Sorry for the rant, this could all be completely irrelevant but I thought I'd give you an option!
I'm assuming you're growing the full organic route which to be fair baffles a lot of decent growers, myself included. I too want to keep things simple/stealthy and organic so I went for bottled organic nutes made by Plant Magic, it's a UK company with nutes specifically designed for water here in the UK - I mention this because for me it was the best option, all the convenience of bottled nutes but with the organic vibe very much intact. Anyone using tap water in the UK should be leaving it to sit for at least 24 hours anyway to allow the chlorine to ***k off.
I've done synthetic and organic grows bro and at the end of the day it comes down to quality over quantity for me, my synthetic weed, although greater in quantity (could be down to using hydro and not soil) took at least a month to cure, more like 2-3 months to reach its potential. Whereas my organic stuff is good to smoke and damn tasty from the moment it's dry, obviously a long cure will benefit any weed but not having to wait another 2-3 months before enjoying your fruits is awesome, just gets that little bit better each day.
I feel there's an argument out there that you can push organic yields as much as synthetic these days so stay open minded bro, over the next year or so I'm going to be testing a few different organic boosters so look out for that!
Sorry for the rant, this could all be completely irrelevant but I thought I'd give you an option!
im cool with that, you are right its good advise i learned something new, thanksHey man, few things.. Firstly using synthetic nutes won't guarantee a better yield, it's all about the grower and whether or not the grow space is dialled in to reach it's full potential. Not saying it's your skills that are the problem btw just something worth noting.
I'm assuming you're growing the full organic route which to be fair baffles a lot of decent growers, myself included. I too want to keep things simple/stealthy and organic so I went for bottled organic nutes made by Plant Magic, it's a UK company with nutes specifically designed for water here in the UK - I mention this because for me it was the best option, all the convenience of bottled nutes but with the organic vibe very much intact. Anyone using tap water in the UK should be leaving it to sit for at least 24 hours anyway to allow the chlorine to ***k off.
I've done synthetic and organic grows bro and at the end of the day it comes down to quality over quantity for me, my synthetic weed, although greater in quantity (could be down to using hydro and not soil) took at least a month to cure, more like 2-3 months to reach its potential. Whereas my organic stuff is good to smoke and damn tasty from the moment it's dry, obviously a long cure will benefit any weed but not having to wait another 2-3 months before enjoying your fruits is awesome, just gets that little bit better each day.
I feel there's an argument out there that you can push organic yields as much as synthetic these days so stay open minded bro, over the next year or so I'm going to be testing a few different organic boosters so look out for that!
Sorry for the rant, this could all be completely irrelevant but I thought I'd give you an option!
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yeah man,when you look at agriculture too organics does an even or better job and again the quality is maxed and fresh as fresh gets.thats what Its always come down to for me personally.I want buds I can show my grand kids n say check it out lol and i dont think Im alone saying that the potency here with organics(hence why food is just THAT much better,same thing imo) indoors or out are just frigin killer.i too have grown both and dry n cured em too and imo i could never get that fully clean taste..well having MS has changed me I can smell it on things believe it or not and if Im having a wierd day actually I can actually taste it on most anything,except my bids.and thats not chit man.but i think Im little unique on a small level in the relm,but thats my disease cuz ive never been that good at it to be honest.but now I cant help it.they smell sour n taste worse in some cases.hell I smoked some chem bud not long ago cuz a pal brought some over a cpl days back and duude.I frigin gagged..took me by suprise too.lol. but anywho, all freshly stoned n so on.but dude I feel ya,if it aint working you'll need to re evaluate from the ground up possibly..?unsure man,but after I was growing for a cpl years thats exactly what I did.and honestly??!! I need to again and re vamp my system but Im juust to damned tired atm.and hurt too darned much.but again only you can decide what you feel you need to do.I say stay in organics man.but I am bias to it to a fault imo. Im sorry I cant tell you all the tech specs n so on man,thats never been my way ever.I feeelll my way through anything using my gut.always have.but I asked a cpl ppl to have a look and Im thinking on it as well.but if you feel you need to that my friend do it,hate to see you go but truly understand the frustration in not being able to get the meds you deserve bro. and no judgement here bro.do what you feel you need to do.just remember its another whole way of growing that will take some adjustment.
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Well Dazed, I grow both. I have 7 plants I am growing synthetic right now and 5 growing organic. I am by no means a purist that thinks only along organic lines although I do prefer the ease of my water only soil over synthetics. The flavors and terpenes are more pronounced with organics. I don't think it has to be a one or the other mentality unless you choose that line of thinking. Keep a plant in chemicals while you continue to experiment with organics if you believe synthetics is easier. My opinion is most people struggle no matter what system they choose and while Tang has done well documenting his recipe for success I would wager that most people that try it aren't getting his results. I am not trying to steer you one way or the other as I don't have to live with your results. If you are using a similar version of sub's recipe and still not having good results I would be willing to bet it is your water killing you. If that is indeed the case then switching to synthetics isn't going to help because you will end up with the exact some problems. I may be wrong, give it a try and see. Only one way to find out. The sustainability isn't an issue with indoor gardening in my personal opinion. Many organic sources are just as environmentally unfriendly and in some cases more than synthetics. Synthetic pesticides and overuse of synthetic nutrients in an outdoor environment is a different story but indoors most nutrients are used up by the plant before they ever see the back yard and generally all that is left is some salts. Some will disagree and that is fine, I am not here to convince anyone of anything. Just throwing my two cents in with hopes it helps you determine the path YOU want to choose. Either way, I am always here to help you out, whatever you decide to do.
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Not true bro. GBDs grow organic n he get killer yields. All about the grower and soil.
And Chem nuts harm the earth on the commercial level, microbes need food which chems do not provide. This leAves thousands of acres of dead soil. And it takes a long time to get it living again.
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Dazed bro switch to chems for a run and compare. Since u tasted organic u can see for urself if switching is worth it, that's what I'm about to do too. I use advanced nutes grow and bloom no ph adjusting is sweet.
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I believe A4 is right, Do both or switch but don't stop trying, my grow space is also small so I understand the issues with small space growing.
Which ever you decide, don't stop learning and don't stop growing, your enthusiasm helped me to decide to switch from nutes to organics.
I just recently burnt the hell out of mine, if I were still running nutes then I would have a beautiful plant but with my first attempt at TLO I didn't fair so well, but it's all documented so people like me can learn from my mistakes. Be well Brother....
I believe A4 is right, Do both or switch but don't stop trying, my grow space is also small so I understand the issues with small space growing.
Which ever you decide, don't stop learning and don't stop growing, your enthusiasm helped me to decide to switch from nutes to organics.
I just recently burnt the hell out of mine, if I were still running nutes then I would have a beautiful plant but with my first attempt at TLO I didn't fair so well, but it's all documented so people like me can learn from my mistakes. Be well Brother....
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