New Grower Actual Results from F1 Auto/photo crosses

[hank]

yes a cross with f1's would be f2's, cross f2's and get f3's.

After you get the auto trait back you may have to back cross the f3 or f4 with the malowi again to carry more of the traits that you want.
Then work the strain again back threw to auto.

Here is something by one of the best of our times.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=9786

 

[Pharmacy]

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong here OG breeders) that the real P1's and P2's are suppose to be 'true breeding', are they not? Because if you have two stains that were from a breeder via a vendor site, it would most likely he F4's or F2's or some shit, so if you breed them together (lets pretend they were F2 and F4 seeds) I don't think you could call them F1's. I don't know wtf you would call the resulting progeny, aka 'little bastards'.

If memory serves me correctly, F1's will only display a dominant or co-dominant/double dominant phenotypes. The autoflowering trait is thought to be a recessive trait, so you would have to breed to at least F2 to see this trait at all in your population... In theory. If you breed the offspring to one of its parents, I believe it is called 'backcrossing' and is suppose to make the resulting progeny more 'stable' and increase the ratio or chances for a selected trait.

 

[Pharmacy]

Wtf? Hank, did we both come back and reply to this guy's old-ass post at the exact same time? Ha! Awesome!

 

[Pharmacy]

Where the hell is Aunt Mossey when you need her? Lol.

Aunt Mossey, we have questions that need answering!!!

 

[hank]

If memory serves me correctly, F1's will only display a dominant or co-dominant/double dominant phenotypes. The autoflowering trait is thought to be a recessive trait, so you would have to breed to at least F2 to see this trait at all in your population... In theory. If you breed the offspring to one of its parents, I believe it is called 'backcrossing' and is suppose to make the resulting progeny more 'stable' and increase the ratio or chances for a selected trait.

This is done more so under photo plants with clones.

With autos its best to have a large selection under f1 cross the best out of that bunch, hope that you get auto in some with f2, take the f2 that you want cross those, f3 have high auto rate with the traits your looking for, f4 refine what you want most ect.
For me ill be taking my f2 or f3 and back crossing it with f1 flo from seed and rework it again.

 

[Pharmacy]

Basically, I believe that the 'autoflowering' trait may NOT be monogenic.

Can any heredity gurus chime in here? I have a lot of questions!

 

[hank]

Basically, I believe that the 'autoflowering' trait may NOT be monogenic.

Can any heredity gurus chime in here? I have a lot of questions!

I may be full of beans, I'm not sure if monogenic is the issue. Recessive gene dominant gene thing.

I think to from growning some dwarf plants that, the genes around the auto flower trait can influence how big or small it is.
I have grown some large and small autos in the same size pots using the same soil and ferts.


BTW I do think the auto flower trait is monogenic.

Great thing to think and read about!

 

[Pharmacy]

Then why are we seeing it in the F1 generation? If the trait is truly a recessive trait, monogenic and the photo parent is true-breeding, what's going on here? Maybe the photo parent is not true-breeding for photosensitivity?

 

[hank]

Then why are we seeing it in the F1 generation? If the trait is truly a recessive trait, monogenic and the photo parent is true-breeding, what's going on here? Maybe the photo parent is not true-breeding for photosensitivity?

Because it may be found in the past genetics.
or it could be a Epistasis trait or Dominant Epistasis . Is it really controlled by one gene or change it be altered by surrounding factors?

 

[Pharmacy]

If the photoperiod parent is true-breeding (double dominant), the trait cannot be passed on. If it is a monogenic trait and the photoperiod parent is true-breeding (AA) for the photosensitive trait, it is not a carrier of the (presumed) recessive trait and therefore simply cannot pass it on to it's progeny.