New Grower Actual Results from F1 Auto/photo crosses
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Not to be a smart-ass, but I double checked and I am not wrong. They are two distinctly seperate mechanisms (some might say opposites, even). So it would not be possible for the 'autoflowering' trait to be both monogenic and epistatic.
'Epistasis - the interaction between two or more genes to control a single phenotype'
http://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc431/mendel/mendel6.htm
'Monogenic- of, relating to, or controlled by a single gene and especially by either of an allelic pair'
http://i.word.com/idictionary/monogenic
'Epistasis - the interaction between two or more genes to control a single phenotype'
http://www.ndsu.edu/pubweb/~mcclean/plsc431/mendel/mendel6.htm
'Monogenic- of, relating to, or controlled by a single gene and especially by either of an allelic pair'
http://i.word.com/idictionary/monogenic
If the trait that dictates whether an individual cannabis specimin is a photperiod or an 'autoflower' is monogenic and you have one parent that is true-breeding for the photosensitive trait and one parent with the 'auto-flowering' trait, and the 'auto-flowering' trait (presuming it even is it's own individual trait) is truely a recessive trait (the commonly held belief), then it is not possible to have autoflowering specimens in the F1 generation. Therefore, I conclude that the 'auto-flowering' trait is either NOT monogenic or (insert makeshift hypothesis I wrote in earlier post, too lazy to write it all).... Or you guys just don't have specimens that are actually true-breeding for the photosensitive trait, which I doubt because I trust you breeders can accurately identify recessive and dominant traits in your gene stock (no sarcasm intended/ to be taken literally).
But who knows, I'm just some guy who is high as fk and trying to weigh-in on matters that are better left to the real breeders.
However, if the hypothesis I put down in this thread turns out to be true, don't forget that Farmacy found it out and would appreciate you giving me a job at a advanced grow facility, lol... Seriously.
But who knows, I'm just some guy who is high as fk and trying to weigh-in on matters that are better left to the real breeders.
However, if the hypothesis I put down in this thread turns out to be true, don't forget that Farmacy found it out and would appreciate you giving me a job at a advanced grow facility, lol... Seriously.
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I'm a bit to high to be scientifical at the moment but, of course it would still be possible, while
Combing the genes from both parents yes the auto trait is recessive and the true photo would still have AA while creating the new dna there is No reason that AAxaa could still give you the an off spring that will now have that recessive jean, it's going to be at the f2's where a large sample of the f1 will need to be grown as you will have the find another plant with the Aa and from the AA it's going to be 25% chance that f2 will show aa... And so fourth... And a lot of strains way back I there unexpressed genes is that ability to adopt over time and get that auto trait... It's the cannabis natural ability to consistently evolve to survive.... So excuse the poor explanation and hope I sorta got across the gist of what I'm trying to say...
Best analogy of the auto trait is regardless of even if you stay off with a Aa plant and just kept breeding that to photo only plants the auto trait eventually is going to show up.. Autos are like a herpes.... Hence some peoples distain for them as they could potentially ruin genetic gene pool of labdraces and cannabis in general... Becareful out door growers of that pollen...
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Combing the genes from both parents yes the auto trait is recessive and the true photo would still have AA while creating the new dna there is No reason that AAxaa could still give you the an off spring that will now have that recessive jean, it's going to be at the f2's where a large sample of the f1 will need to be grown as you will have the find another plant with the Aa and from the AA it's going to be 25% chance that f2 will show aa... And so fourth... And a lot of strains way back I there unexpressed genes is that ability to adopt over time and get that auto trait... It's the cannabis natural ability to consistently evolve to survive.... So excuse the poor explanation and hope I sorta got across the gist of what I'm trying to say...
Best analogy of the auto trait is regardless of even if you stay off with a Aa plant and just kept breeding that to photo only plants the auto trait eventually is going to show up.. Autos are like a herpes.... Hence some peoples distain for them as they could potentially ruin genetic gene pool of labdraces and cannabis in general... Becareful out door growers of that pollen...
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All I can say is that I have a f1 male cross that is in full flower under 24/7 light. the females had to go 12/12.
now it could be because its in a small pot, lower light, treated like shit ect.
You see now days how people have been able to make such large autos. They are picking and breeding in larger and larger.
Think recessive phenotype.
@yoda
Yes can be like herpes but the plant over time will still leave the best of the best.
bob this is about the time you come in and shed some light.
(cause your crazy like that)
now it could be because its in a small pot, lower light, treated like shit ect.
You see now days how people have been able to make such large autos. They are picking and breeding in larger and larger.
Think recessive phenotype.
@yoda
Yes can be like herpes but the plant over time will still leave the best of the best.
bob this is about the time you come in and shed some light.
(cause your crazy like that)
If your using the LR gene in any %... and you make a photo cross. By F5 you will have a total auto...EVEN if you breed the NON auto phenos along the way. This to me means the auto gene is DOM or a variation of dom.. Just because the F1 % is low is a non factor. Some of my strains are 1.5% LR and the gene is stronger then ever.
ITs that simple.
ITs that simple.
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we have known for a long time that pure photo males can flower in 24/7 lighting if root bound etc
not all of them will, but it is common enough , and no i havent witnessed this as an auto trait thats passed on
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@ Yodabuds
Yes, the progeny can be carriers of the recessive trait in my scenario (poor choice of wording on my part), but the parent that is true-breeding (AA) for the photosensitive trait cannot pass on the recessive autoflower trait (a), if the currently held belief is true and and if the trait is monogenic.
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I want to try some of them Dragons sooooo bad!!! I have been anticipating the experience so much, to a point where I salivate when thinking about Dragons!
Yes, the progeny can be carriers of the recessive trait in my scenario (poor choice of wording on my part), but the parent that is true-breeding (AA) for the photosensitive trait cannot pass on the recessive autoflower trait (a), if the currently held belief is true and and if the trait is monogenic.
P.S.
I want to try some of them Dragons sooooo bad!!! I have been anticipating the experience so much, to a point where I salivate when thinking about Dragons!
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How long do you guys believe it would take to totally breed out ALL ruderalis traits and only keep the 'autoflowering' trait? I have some really nice photoperiod strains, if they could autoflower, production time would be halved!
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