New Grower Actual Results from F1 Auto/photo crosses

[Pharmacy]

If your using the LR gene in any %... and you make a photo cross. By F5 you will have a total auto...EVEN if you breed the NON auto phenos along the way. This to me means the auto gene is DOM or a variation of dom.. Just because the F1 % is low is a non factor. Some of my strains are 1.5% LR and the gene is stronger then ever.

ITs that simple.

Perhaps it may be incomplete dominance like I stated before? In traditional heredity, I believe that the dominant trait will always take precidence over a recessive trait (if memory serves correctly), in theory, anyways.

Just because the F1 % is low is a non factor.

Can you please explain this to me? I am not a breeder and have very little actual experience, but from what I understand, if the popularly held belief if true, then you should not see a SINGLE auto in your F1 gen. when breeding to a photoperiod parent that is not a carrier of the auto trait.

I am starting my first breeding project with photoperiods and would appreciate any and all tips you may have. Nothing beats experience, nothing. I heard that dominant and recessive traits can vary from one genetic stock to another. So one breeder's population may contain a trait that is dominant (lets say orange hairs as an example) and that very same trait (expression may be more accurate) can be recessive in another breeder's population or gene stock (red hairs are dominant, with orange being recessive). Based on your experience, do you find this to be true?

 

[Epic Genetics]

How long do you guys believe it would take to totally breed out ALL ruderalis traits and only keep the 'autoflowering' trait? I have some really nice photoperiod strains, if they could autoflower, production time would be halved!

ive been at it for 3+ years with my og kush auto and havent got there yet , very close though , its been on and off for 3 years though , never off for long

im very fussy though and there is also the fact that true og kush is hermie prone and thats the biggest issue taking up so much time

peace

 

[Pharmacy]

ive been at it for 3+ years with my og kush auto and havent got there yet , very close though , its been on and off for 3 years though , never off for long

im very fussy though and there is also the fact that true og kush is hermie prone and thats the biggest issue taking up so much time

peace

I am working with OG's as well! Lets collaborate!!!

How many generations down the line are you, so far? Any tips or tricks that you have found that may cutdown this time?

 

[Pharmacy]

Okay, I'm gonna throw something out there just for argument sake, to spark some conversation and to keep this thread floating. What if the autoflowering trait was a sex-linked trait? Oh, yea... I went there.

What do you guys think?

 

[cres]

Perhaps it may be incomplete dominance like I stated before?

For sure a variance of dominance.

Can you please explain this to me? I am not a breeder and have very little actual experience, but from what I understand, if the popularly held belief if true, then you should not see a SINGLE auto in your F1 gen. when breeding to a photoperiod parent that is not a carrier of the auto trait.

fuck the popular beliefs, between a few breeder friends we have taken over 30 stains to AF. IMO it "the gene" maybe getting stronger, if there is a thing, or possibly becoming more dominate.

I am starting my first breeding project with photoperiods and would appreciate any and all tips you may have. Nothing beats experience, nothing. I heard that dominant and recessive traits can vary from one genetic stock to another. So one breeder's population may contain a trait that is dominant (lets say orange hairs as an example) and that very same trait (expression may be more accurate) can be recessive in another breeder's population or gene stock (red hairs are dominant, with orange being recessive). Based on your experience, do you find this to be true?

for any small breeding projets keep focused on the trait that means the most to you. I do this with potency, I select only for it, and sometimes size is not so important. I have said it over and over if your garden is small say 40 plants, and your growing males and females then your selecting from 20 and right off the bat there will be some % of less then desirable phenos... so now your down to 10-15 quality females or fewer. Never let the auto phenos temp you as the ones you need to use. Select for what ever trait it is you want. Know your stock before breeding it. If you have never grown "chem" then dont go grab a bunch of chem seed and start tomorrow crossing it. I can go on and on, and even into male selections. Know your stock, know your direction, keep good notes. And be assured that in the F4 or F5 generation your "new strain" will be fully auto. And if in your F2 if there is just no resembelance to your desired direction... by all means bx to the desired parent. This will strenghten your desired trait and only delay your quest of a new auto by a generation or 2.

 

[Pharmacy]

Excellent advice! Very much appreciated.

 

[Pharmacy]

I will be working solely with photosensitive strains for the first few years or year (however long it takes me). After I find some good traits and identify them as being either dominant, recessive, sex-linked, co-dominant, etc. I will breed for my desired traits. Once I have finished breeding for my desired traits and I get them all to express, I will then stabilize what traits I can and produce seed. (Throughout the whole process, using a large population and practicing the art of selection.).

I will then introduce an 'autoflower' into the mix by breeding it to a clone. I will try to obtain a specimen that is double recessive (aa) for the auto trait (assuming it is even a recessive trait/assuming it is even its own inherent trait and not the result of a lacking of trait(s) or expression(s)!). 'A specimen that expresses the auto trait most stably', would be more accurate. (Can anyone point me in the right direction as to acquiring such a specimen?). Attempt to identify said trait and then I will then breed and breed, select and select, until I find a specimen or population that is starkly similar to my previously created photoperiod strain and expresses the autoflowering trait or characteristic. I will then stabilize said specimen(s) and take that bitch to seed!

Does this look like a solid game plan?

Also, how does one become a breeder? When I am all done, do I just approach a seed bank and be like 'I made some strains!'?

 

[Pharmacy]

Can a double-recessive trait or allele pair (aa) be accurately called or described as 'true-breeding'? Since it may not display or be expressed in its direct progeny/F1?

Hey, sorry for the thread jack.

Btw, this is a great thread, one of the best I've ever found! I look forwards to conversating with people who share my same interest and hobby, and waking-up to find new information and being able to bounce ideas off of people who really understand the subject. People I can relate to on an intellectual level, in regards to this subject. I look forward to it everyday!

I would love to join a network of breeders and collaborate... Possibly collaborate on genetic resources? Assist one another by mutual contribution ? Don't be afraid to PM me because I feel like I am bothering people when I PM them.

I have a legitimate Wifi #3 cut and OG Fire cut.

 

[Epic Genetics]

I am working with OG's as well! Lets collaborate!!!

How many generations down the line are you, so far? Any tips or tricks that you have found that may cutdown this time?

hell i dont know , ive breed it to fully auto and not been happy because too much of the auto was present , typical auto leafy/airy bud structure , then bX'd that to the photo og and continued breeding it to full auto , was dank but still not pure enough og for my liking , so bX'd it again and had bred back to full auto when my entire lot of strains i had going at the time got mixed and mis labled , so now i dont know what a boatload of seeds are until they are grown

ive had to go back to my last fully auto breeding stock backups and start from there , the ones that are dank but still not pure og enough , fortunately ive kept backups just incase , unfortunately i dont keep many

once again ill soon be putting it on hold as im wanting to auto the MOB , lol im just loving the photo version of it , like a little kid who cant keep his hand out of the cookie jar

peace

 

[Epic Genetics]

For sure a variance of dominance.



fuck the popular beliefs, between a few breeder friends we have taken over 30 stains to AF. IMO it "the gene" maybe getting stronger, if there is a thing, or possibly becoming more dominate.



for any small breeding projets keep focused on the trait that means the most to you. I do this with potency, I select only for it, and sometimes size is not so important. I have said it over and over if your garden is small say 40 plants, and your growing males and females then your selecting from 20 and right off the bat there will be some % of less then desirable phenos... so now your down to 10-15 quality females or fewer. Never let the auto phenos temp you as the ones you need to use. Select for what ever trait it is you want. Know your stock before breeding it. If you have never grown "chem" then dont go grab a bunch of chem seed and start tomorrow crossing it. I can go on and on, and even into male selections. Know your stock, know your direction, keep good notes. And be assured that in the F4 or F5 generation your "new strain" will be fully auto. And if in your F2 if there is just no resembelance to your desired direction... by all means bx to the desired parent. This will strenghten your desired trait and only delay your quest of a new auto by a generation or 2.

BINGO !

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