Current Live Stoners Gossip June/July/August 2017

[pop22]

Exactly, its about choice. And its about ruining the gene pool. Reg seed are important for more than just private growing needs. At the minimum, every breeder should provide at least 1/2 of there catalog in both.

I think the only justification for selling only fem seeds would be.. alot of people want them.. if you're not breeding males are a waste of time and money.. I think you should be able to choose whether or not you want fem or regular...

 

[Gauge Steel]

Exactly, its about choice. And its about ruining the gene pool. Reg seed are important for more than just private growing needs. At the minimum, every breeder should provide at least 1/2 of there catalog in both.

Ruining the gene pool?

 

[Scirzo]

Lots of energetic input here. I did not know there was such a "divide" between Auto vs Photo.

I'm not pro or con photos or autos. It was about the question what's up with this "semi-auto" or "super-auto" sh*t? That turned into a discussion about what makes an autoflower an autoflower and is now on standardization of marketing term like "semi" and "super" and the trustworthiness of seed companies in general. Well, almost at least. I'm 45 messages behind still....

 

[budelee]

Exactly, its about choice. And its about ruining the gene pool. Reg seed are important for more than just private growing needs. At the minimum, every breeder should provide at least 1/2 of there catalog in both.

Theres still some breeders who offer regs,, which is a good thing.. reg seeds are usually cheaper,and if a "special " strain if to your liking, well, the option of keeping that strain going, or even crossing it,is there!!

 

[pop22]

Too complicated for this discussion but go read what Greg Green and Robert Connell Clarke have to say about this.

Ruining the gene pool?

 

[mohawk warrior]

Regular bee
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Super bee
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WTF would be a semi bee?

getting old ehh step... I'm going with optimus prime meets bumble bee

 

[Scirzo]

IMO, "Super Autos" and "sem-autos" are F1 junk, highly unstable, quickly made crosses. Make an F1 cross, make fem seeds from it, BOOM! Super Auto............... anyone could do that. Stitch found a way to peddle his crap........... Isn't that called pollen chucking?????

I know that you are a very experienced grower. I am just a noob with a bit of theoretical knowledge. I have seen firsthand that theory doesn't always equal practice. So please don't take this the wrong way. I'm just genuinely interested in the answer to this question. Are semi-autos unstable? Is this a fact? So, is this realhi, as you say your opinion or are you a breeder and do you know that this is the case, or have had so many fails with these kind of seeds from you own experience?

 

[Ryker604_BT]

Nice discussion going on here, keep it coming . Love to hear about the science behind cannabis and breeding in particular so it would be great to have a topic were the industry people share their knowledge.

If they won't be biased .

 

[Scirzo]

Mang this guy hadda be smokin sumtin

Lol! That guy used to be hilarious! I'd watch all his TV shows when I was a kid!

 

[pop22]

I'm an amateur breeder, currently developing three strains of my own. I'm a beginner but I've done my homework. And I understand, your question was a good one.
All F1 crosses are unstable, any genetic expression can pop up from them be cause they are a soup of all genetic traits of both strains, no traits are bred for in an F1 cross, auto or photo. The only thing gained from a first generation auto-photo cross is the auto genes that will be expressed in later generations.

Super autos, ( F1 auto-photo ), MIGHT flower faster than its photo parent, but many do not. and sativa dominant super autos run 120-140 days...... some even longer! And most still need a 12/12 light cycle. You can start them, then return to a longer period, but then they may take even longer.

These crosses may be ok for some people, its a matter of choice. IMO, its not a way to get quality genetics.

I know that you are a very experienced grower. I am just a noob with a bit of theoretical knowledge. I have seen firsthand that theory doesn't always equal practice. So please don't take this the wrong way. I'm just genuinely interested in the answer to this question. Are semi-autos unstable? Is this a fact? So, is this realhi, as you say your opinion or are you a breeder and do you know that this is the case, or have had so many fails with these kind of seeds from you own experience?