Mephisto Genetics Orange Diesel and Blue Microverse

[jumper114]

I have a personal opinion on Indica based Autos. They do better natural. Larger strains and Sativa based strains tend to do very well with training. It's all good to try a little minor training on Small strains, but in general anything fast as small does better untrained. Good luck!

I chose the strain due to speed. Looks like I will need a new candidate.

It is fun seeing the difference, difference techniques have on the same strain.

It helps that I love Sour Crack as a smoke ;-) Win ... win ....

 

[slowandeasy]

Hi Slowandeady

Thanks. Yes Blue Microverse was an absolute beast and I have to say a fantastic smoke. She is tucked away curing, but I could not help myself.

The Orange Diesel post cure has a fanatic deep diesel smell. However, you can still make out her orange undertones.

The mites came from outside, but it was a very light infection. The ladybirds over the weekend took care of them. I am now using neem oil spray every other day for the next couple of weeks. I would rather take action and get this sorted.

I had some of my girls outside this summer. Lesson learnt!!

That is very interesting regarding harvest time. I will try with SC4, who will be natural. SC3 I will let go and see what happens with the early training. I seem to have at least 8 tops.

Can you recommend any indica strains that you do know train well from the Mephisto line up.

I have 1.1m high grow space!

4 assed monkey, Gold Glue, Toof Decay,

Hi Slowandeady

Thanks. Yes Blue Microverse was an absolute beast and I have to say a fantastic smoke. She is tucked away curing, but I could not help myself.

The Orange Diesel post cure has a fanatic deep diesel smell. However, you can still make out her orange undertones.

The mites came from outside, but it was a very light infection. The ladybirds over the weekend took care of them. I am now using neem oil spray every other day for the next couple of weeks. I would rather take action and get this sorted.

I had some of my girls outside this summer. Lesson learnt!!

That is very interesting regarding harvest time. I will try with SC4, who will be natural. SC3 I will let go and see what happens with the early training. I seem to have at least 8 tops.

Can you recommend any indica strains that you do know train well from the Mephisto line up.

I have 1.1m high grow space!

I suggest Toof Decay, 4 Assed monkey, Good Glue, 3BOG, and White Crack. 24 Carat and Sour Crack DO NOT like or need LST. Sour Crinkle has many Phenos, it can be tamed with good results as well. I have 1 huge one right now, but general it is not a tall strain.

 

[IndoorTropics]

Dont LST a Sour Crack at all. She does much better naturally. LST will not increase Sour Cracks yield and is counterproductive on this strain. She is highly Indica and does not need or like stress. One of the few strains I suggest not training at all. Leaf tucking and pony tailing helps a lot. But LST will only extend your grow time and will not translate higher yielded at all. As a general rule of thumb, pure Indica strains don't need LST and dont like stress. They grow fast and short, and don't like to be slowed down. Peace, slow

I just went through your whole thread again. You did a great job on that Blue Microverse! The Natural Sour Crack did much better than the trained too.. I see you have Spider Mites? That sucks. Do you do outdoors and indoors? I hope you get them under control. BTW, from my personal experience I believe most Autoflowering strains seem to lose smells, flavors, and potency much faster than Photo strains. Harvesting when mostly Cloudy on Autos is ideal for most Autos vs waiting for a bunch of Amber. I press a TON of Rosin. The Rosin production tends to go down on strains I take longer and the smell is not as strong. Take care, slowandeasy

Sorry to hijack the thread but do you have any opinion on Northern Cheese Haze for LST?

 

[jumper114]

4 assed monkey, Gold Glue, Toof Decay,

I suggest Toof Decay, 4 Assed monkey, Good Glue, 3BOG, and White Crack. 24 Carat and Sour Crack DO NOT like or need LST. Sour Crinkle has many Phenos, it can be tamed with good results as well. I have 1 huge one right now, but general it is not a tall strain.

I grew a Toof Decay in a cup grow off recently and got 33g. She seemed to like the training

I have grown White Crack. Did OK, with just over 2 zips. I suspect she does not like training that much. The phenotype I had anyways.

The GWK I grew, despite topping and training maintained single cola dominance.

 

[slowandeasy]

I grew a Toof Decay in a cup grow off recently and got 33g. She seemed to like the training

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I have grown White Crack. Did OK, with just over 2 zips. I suspect she does not like training that much. The phenotype I had anyways.

The GWK I grew, despite topping and training maintained single cola dominance.

Yes some strains like GWK and Sour Stomper actually do best untouched. They grow narrow and stretch a little bit more than average with spaces between the nodes. Grow best if given upward space, like corn. White Crack has a few phenos. A Sour Crack Dom doesn't need as much training. The White pheno is branchier. It won't be super tall, so I don't lay them out too much. Keep the colas level.

 

[slowandeasy]

Sorry to hijack the thread but do you have any opinion on Northern Cheese Haze for LST?

I have never done it, but looking at others it gets large. Most large strains do well.

 

[jumper114]

Taking heed of Slowandeasy's advise, the girls are now natural.

Sour Crack 3, day 25. Lets see what damage the training has done.



Sour Crack 4, day 10. Both on EC 0.3 at 5.8 pH.



I added another 25 predatory ladybirds.

The little bits of paper are Phytoseiulus that I will hit the tent with over the next week. Followed by another 25 ladybirds.

Hopefully that will sort out the spider mite issue once and for all.

 

[slowandeasy]

Taking heed of Slowandeasy's advise, the girls are now natural.

Sour Crack 3, day 25. Lets see what damage the training has done.



Sour Crack 4, day 10. Both on EC 0.3 at 5.8 pH.



I added another 25 predatory ladybirds.

The little bits of paper are Phytoseiulus that I will hit the tent with over the next week. Followed by another 25 ladybirds.

Hopefully that will sort out the spider mite issue once and for all.

Good luck. Get the mites under control first and foremost! Trust me on the Sour Crack. One of the few strains I don't suggest doing training on. She grows so fast that you don't want to slow her momentum down. 24 Carat is the same. 100% Indica = no training almost always. Speed is the key with those fast Indica's. Keep them from slowing down at all, certain strains almost shut down if toyed with too much or too early. Good luck slow

 

[jumper114]

Good luck. Get the mites under control first and foremost! Trust me on the Sour Crack. One of the few strains I don't suggest doing training on. She grows so fast that you don't want to slow her momentum down. 24 Carat is the same. 100% Indica = no training almost always. Speed is the key with those fast Indica's. Keep them from slowing down at all, certain strains almost shut down if toyed with too much or too early. Good luck slow

Thanks bro!!!!

I reckon the mites will be toast. The army I have sent in and rest to come should kill them!

I am clearly walking pastures you know. I have searched so hard for people who can quantify training.

So few people acknowledge the delay and manipulation LST and topping has.

My interest is getting silly results from known strains, like Blue Microverse.

I lucked out, oh and poor research, and chose the worst strain ever for my troubles!

Do you have a view on keeping auto plants below 2nd node to allow more veg?

Seems to add the time.... where we want it.

To me the few extra weeks add so much in weight!

 

[slowandeasy]

Thanks bro!!!!

I reckon the mites will be toast. The army I have sent in and rest to come should kill them!

I am clearly walking pastures you know. I have searched so hard for people who can quantify training.

So few people acknowledge the delay and manipulation LST and topping has.

My interest is getting silly results from known strains, like Blue Microverse.

I lucked out, oh and poor research, and chose the worst strain ever for my troubles!

Do you have a view on keeping auto plants below 2nd node to allow more veg?

Seems to add the time.... where we want it.

To me the few extra weeks add so much in weight!

Depends on the strain and how long you think is ok. For me, taking most Autos 3 or 4 weeks longer than they are supposed to is too long. I would rather flip 2 Sour Cracks in 102 days (56 each) vs manipulate and have 1 plant go 100+ days. If you want larger yields per plant, and don't mind extra weeks it can Inc yields. Autos can be picky. So try to choose more aggressive hybrids to try it on vs any Highly Indica. It is strain select a n aggressive topping and training. Some can yield amazing. While others it's a complete waste of time and space and nutes. I like the idea and have seen some nice examples of that style, but I have also seen it be a huge waste of time. Most 8 week strains would be NOT IDEAL. 9-11 week hybrid that takes stress well and isn't highly Indica pheno will have better results