Subcool Supersoil UK version a few questions.

[Eyes on Fire]

...sorry bout tha caps ..didnt see em till later LMFAO!!thats easy.id bet its a frsh batch of soil..thats easy.that wont lack.aS SOON AS TYOU START WORKING SOILS IT'LL START DISIPATING JUST SIMPLY DUE TO BALANCE.TO THATS WHY YOU THIN IT AND FULLY WORK IT..THATS ALL.YOU ALWAYS ACCUMULATE SOIL OVER EACH CPL OR EACH GROW ALL THE TIME.ESPECIALLY AS ORGANICS.YOU NEED SOME AND EVENTUALLY YOU CAN LET A FULL DEPLETED BATCH SIT IN THE RAIN IN A DRAINAGE TOTE FOR A CPL MONTHS AND GET RINSED WELL AND THEN RE WORK IT FULLY FROM THERE.ITS JUST A BIT of work..DAMNED caps..sorry bro LMFAO!! so essentially you'll make new and somewhat thinned batches after each grow cutting into batches of tossing outside to save3 for OD veggies n so on..its all relative in what you do.but THAt in that video id bet thats not an already used soil..thats fresh and THATs the key here..worked soils tend to lack..wortked and thinned and fully rewoked are where its at.but again then it comes down to room.or tossing till you grow OD or rinse it again and then mix a fully fresh NEW batch from there..

 

[Dazed]

...sorry bout tha caps ..didnt see em till later LMFAO!!thats easy.id bet its a frsh batch of soil..thats easy.that wont lack.aS SOON AS TYOU START WORKING SOILS IT'LL START DISIPATING JUST SIMPLY DUE TO BALANCE.TO THATS WHY YOU THIN IT AND FULLY WORK IT..THATS ALL.YOU ALWAYS ACCUMULATE SOIL OVER EACH CPL OR EACH GROW ALL THE TIME.ESPECIALLY AS ORGANICS.YOU NEED SOME AND EVENTUALLY YOU CAN LET A FULL DEPLETED BATCH SIT IN THE RAIN IN A DRAINAGE TOTE FOR A CPL MONTHS AND GET RINSED WELL AND THEN RE WORK IT FULLY FROM THERE.ITS JUST A BIT of work..DAMNED caps..sorry bro LMFAO!! so essentially you'll make new and somewhat thinned batches after each grow cutting into batches of tossing outside to save3 for OD veggies n so on..its all relative in what you do.but THAt in that video id bet thats not an already used soil..thats fresh and THATs the key here..worked soils tend to lack..wortked and thinned and fully rewoked are where its at.but again then it comes down to room.or tossing till you grow OD or rinse it again and then mix a fully fresh NEW batch from there..

Sorry mate I didn't say but I have never re-used a soil mix once due to them always having problems, this batch my friend is using now is new, has been cooking since early this year!

 

[Eyes on Fire]

ok well then its off balance and with the LED's it compounded....if had that issue.but again mine was depleted and off balance..same issue persists in these.. so your mix is off..and with the LED's it looks more off than it truly is is all.I prefer involved mixes...but you should talk to a cpl of the others man for a fuller more simplistic approach and recipe..subs is more involved..and if the stuffs are not exact it'll wobble..hence the recipe.can only be played with so much. DubV's is a simple mix.. and youve made leaf confrey and leaf mold..DUDE thats thee best natural inoculate around next to few others.so you got the knowledge. its just a new approach is whats needed. and a new recipe..ive mentioned that a cpl times in the past but when in doubt simplify cut the extras and get to the nuts n bolts of a mix and growing style.

simple mix for example.(NOT familair with whats available to you though which sux bigtime)

simple minerals..azomite and soft rock phosphate for one.

kelp,alfalfa meals.

blood and bone meal or combo works too.

inoculate too.leaf mold

gyspum,Lime and some castings is mostly all you'll need and the other things in check too,like heat n lights blah blah but ya know all that and they grow beautiful.ive seen lovely grows from you but like some mixes Ive seen they tend to wobble in flower.

and a few simple boosters such as guanos or some good organic granules with a little guano to round it out.attention to flower and lasting balance.so lime is good with the guano or hotter materials and a few TBspoon of gypsum too n thats all that you'll need.cuz UK materials tend to have more N laiden throughout the individual products from what ive noticed..so that too might be a cause of things being hotter in a standard mix. but Im just throwing out ideas cuz usually ya'll like mixing two or three things and has a heavier N content..soooo..i dunno.thats my opinion brutha man.talk to Dub or A4 about UK simple mixes.

and of course i dont recall your recipe but its a little different from the original? dont remember.

and one thing some have to remember..my memory is failing..and i have a hard time recalling things..i need to be reminded sometimes but thats my take on whats up with what and how its being mixed.

ya tested the bags of soil at all? no matter what brand theyre will sometimes be issue with them...waters not an issue if i remember..heck bro.not sure..

 

[Dazed]

ok well then its off balance and with the LED's it compounded....if had that issue.but again mine was depleted and off balance..same issue persists in these.. so your mix is off..and with the LED's it looks more off than it truly is is all.I prefer involved mixes...but you should talk to a cpl of the others man for a fuller more simplistic approach and recipe..subs is more involved..and if the stuffs are not exact it'll wobble..hence the recipe.can only be played with so much. DubV's is a simple mix.. and youve made leaf confrey and leaf mold..DUDE thats thee best natural inoculate around next to few others.so you got the knowledge. its just a new approach is whats needed. and a new recipe..ive mentioned that a cpl times in the past but when in doubt simplify cut the extras and get to the nuts n bolts of a mix and growing style.

simple mix for example.(NOT familair with whats available to you though which sux bigtime)

simple minerals..azomite and soft rock phosphate for one.

kelp,alfalfa meals.

blood and bone meal or combo works too.

inoculate too.leaf mold

gyspum,Lime and some castings is mostly all you'll need and the other things in check too,like heat n lights blah blah but ya know all that and they grow beautiful.ive seen lovely grows from you but like some mixes Ive seen they tend to wobble in flower.

and a few simple boosters such as guanos or some good organic granules with a little guano to round it out.attention to flower and lasting balance.so lime is good with the guano or hotter materials and a few TBspoon of gypsum too n thats all that you'll need.cuz UK materials tend to have more N laiden throughout the individual products from what ive noticed..so that too might be a cause of things being hotter in a standard mix. but Im just throwing out ideas cuz usually ya'll like mixing two or three things and has a heavier N content..soooo..i dunno.thats my opinion brutha man.talk to Dub or A4 about UK simple mixes.

and of course i dont recall your recipe but its a little different from the original? dont remember.

and one thing some have to remember..my memory is failing..and i have a hard time recalling things..i need to be reminded sometimes but thats my take on whats up with what and how its being mixed.

ya tested the bags of soil at all? no matter what brand theyre will sometimes be issue with them...waters not an issue if i remember..heck bro.not sure..

I hear ya man, loud and clear lol! Do you think it could be not enough Calcium in the mix? I know that and Mg can cause lock out of other stuff too like P, and under LED I might just have massively underestimated the amounts. I did add a good amount of leaf mold, man I have some killer leaf mold in bags in the garden now. Still have this Sub mix cooking away in a tub in the garage, still looks alive to me as there is always condensation in there when I look. Maybe I didn't add quite enough egg shells, but I pretty much added everything else exactly. We thought it was burn at first, with the soil being too hot, but I'm convinced its a deficiency, and yes you're on the money, always creeps up as flower starts to set in - which makes sense that there would be a P def for one reason or another.

I have to say, I'm sure it's just one tiny thing that is out, the amount of trichs these mixes produce is unreal, and the smell is out of this world, as is the final quality, but yield is always effected and by mid flower the plants look like crap. Probably naive of me to expect to sort this out quickly, trial and error and all that, but wondered if anyone else had these same symptoms crop up before with similar grow set ups.

I might split this current mix in two and add a bunch more eggshells and Esalts to one, and the other leave it as it is. I think some experimentation is required here.....just a shitter I can't figure it out easier (or at least have a clue as to what is throwing it out).

Why peeps in the US can use his mix and LED with awesome results I don't get it...My friend is down for some experimenting to get it right so hey-ho.

 

[Dazed]

Anyone else out there want to try shed some light?

Oh and one thing I have noticed growing my tommys and things this year, some pots I used just Biobizz Lightmix, mixed in chicken manure pellets along with rock dust, plants did amazing until bloom, then they started showing purple leaves, mixed in some chicken pellets and they were fine again. The chicken pellets have a large amount of calcium in there......maybe it's down to calcium....

 

[A4]

Dazed brother, good to see you back around my friend. Even if you aren't able to grow at the moment I would love to see you around more often.

With that out of the way, I will make some suggestions but give me some time to do some calculations on your mix. I am busy at the moment but will try to reply back this evening. I wanted to chime in so you wouldn't think I was just ignoring the thread.

 

[Dazed]

Dazed brother, good to see you back around my friend. Even if you aren't able to grow at the moment I would love to see you around more often.

With that out of the way, I will make some suggestions but give me some time to do some calculations on your mix. I am busy at the moment but will try to reply back this evening. I wanted to chime in so you wouldn't think I was just ignoring the thread.

Great to be back my friend, I actually didn't go away, just had a very rough few months and didn't have many positive things to say lol. Its great to hear from you. Would be really great if we can all get our organic heads together and get this sorted, not just for my friend, or me, but for all us UK dwellers who want a supersoil mix with amendments we can source here easily (i have all the details of where to get what I found) that works, especially under LED as they are becoming so much more viable now.

Much lover brother.

 

[Eyes on Fire]

calcium IS always a major contender man..i also like to add a good bit of crab and eggshell.the Lime and gypsum as well as the small variances in the other components have cal in them usually and thats usually enough..but like ya said.all comes down to amounts man.then you have to think the other foods..the life microbes then the castings then the meals..they all complete essentially a cirlce of life as it were.thats why i follow a template fairly close until im confident enough with moving outside of said exact recipe man. so if you mixed 100% subs mix as is for photos.cut that by 30-40% or so with a plug or tier method and i really dont forsee any issues short of any heat or light stresses..but even then a fully antiseptic type of mix will quell that alone for awhile too.

 

[DubV]

Brother Dazed I have been caught in a shit storm of family troubles lately, so haven't been around much. I know A4 will chime in but I promise you, your cal/mag ratio's are off and causing some or most of your issues. Sucks you don't have access to all we have over here. But expect a pm from me, helping you with that hopefully. I am very partial to specific amendments and not a fan of any guano's because of how hot they are and tend to attract pests. I would much rather go the neem/karanja cake mix than guano based sources. Gypsum is a must along with some oyster meal but this will give you a better idea why the cal/mag ratio is so important.

It's still a little-known fact that the Calcium to Magnesium ratio determines how tight or loose a soil is. The more Calcium a soil has, the looser it is; the more Magnesium, the tighter it is, up to a point. Other things being equal, a high Calcium soil will have more Oxygen, drain more freely, and support more aerobic breakdown of organic matter, while a high Magnesium soil will have less Oxygen, tend to drain slowly, and organic matter will break down poorly if at all. In a soil with Magnesium higher than Calcium, organic matter may ferment and produce alcohol and even formaldehyde, both of which are preservatives. If you till up last years corn stalks and they are still shiny and green, you may have a soil with an inverted Calcium/Magnesium ratio. On the other hand, if you get the Calcium level too high, the soil will lose all its beneficial granulation and structure and the excessive Calcium will interfere with the availability of other nutrients. If you get them just right for your particular soil, you can drive over the garden and not have a problem with soil compaction.

 

[AKNorthernlights]

Personally I don't do the layered soil deal,I dont buy into that theory, the tap root goes straight to the bottom so I mix everything in, and just use a small plug for the seedling.

Your mix sounds decent enough, I would water in some epsom salts and molasses with every watering and it might just be all you need.

LED will suck the life out of cannabis if you let it.